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The reason why I don't like the Twilight series is NOT because of sparkling vampires, or disgustingly weird romance, or Volvos, it's because the books are written like a 15-year old fan girl would write a fanfiction about Johnny Depp. Don't get me wrong, they are some decent vampire romance books out there, even in the teen section, but these books are just... nerve racking stupidity. I don't believe in bashings books, I believe a book should be treated with respect, no matter how much you don't like the story it tells. But this is a special case, seeing as how the story isn't all that bad, but the writing and the way it was executed onto paper... seesh. I'm shocked Stephanie Meyer even graduated High School, with the way she writes. So... after my little rant, I have to ask an extremely important question...

...Anyone else agree?

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I don't like Twilight because one of the leads, a 104 yr. old vampire, is still in High School. If you think about it, that's wrong and creepy on so many levels. First, is mentally deficent in some respect? Has he flunked his senior year 87 times in a row? Second, he's a 104 yr. old dude hitting on high school girls! Ick! What a pervert!

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I don't like Twilight because one of the leads, a 104 yr. old vampire, is still in High School. If you think about it, that's wrong and creepy on so many levels. First, is mentally deficent in some respect? Has he flunked his senior year 87 times in a row? Second, he's a 104 yr. old dude hitting on high school girls! Ick! What a pervert!

So true and yet people fail to realize this.

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filmgal wrote:

I don't like Twilight because one of the leads, a 104 yr. old vampire, is still in High School. If you think about it, that's wrong and creepy on so many levels. First, is mentally deficent in some respect? Has he flunked his senior year 87 times in a row? Second, he's a 104 yr. old dude hitting on high school girls! Ick! What a pervert!

So true and yet people fail to realize this.

I think more to the point is that the film's "fans" fail to realize this. It's seriously creepy. It also makes no sense whatsoever.

It surprises me that we don't seem to have many (any?) Twilight fans in our little community. Laughing out loud

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I got tired of High School girls when I entered my Junior year and strictly dated college girls from that point on so I don't know how he could stand doing it for 100.

Do middle aged women seriously get all hot and bothered by the shirtless teenage boys?

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Well, I look at any man under 25 and think 'I want to feed him oatmeal' and now can look at a 50 year old man and think 'What a fine example of a sexy man in his prime', so maybe I am getting way too old to be able to tell who is attractive and who isn't anymore when they are teens, which is sad because I'm not middle aged yet (give me a few years.)

But I do not like that Edward goes to high school at all! I mean, why? Why would anyone subject themselves to that hell? I understand it is to 'fit in', but the guy is supposed to be trying to pull of '17', not '7'. Can't he just pretend to be a high school dropout? Does Edward actually do any homework in the film? How does he not fail everything and get kicked out anyway?

Frankly, does Bella even do any fucking homework or is she just so obsessed with her boyfriend she can't concentrate? Doesn't Edward want her to be HAPPY? to go on and go to college and have fun and have human romances and love her father and backpack across Europe? Why does he think saddling her with a vampire baby at 18 is going to make her HAPPY? (They do end up having a vampire baby, don't they?)

I'd like to see the last book in the series, where Edward, who clearly has a fetish for teenage girls, dumps her when she turns 25 for someone younger, and she finally realizes he's an old pervert, and she's forced to care for a 5 year old all on her own with no alimony because the courts can't force someone legally dead to pay it, or child support. Then she gets fat and cries and her daughter gets pregnant at 15 because she had no father figure. Then Bella gets a new husband who verbally and physically abuses her and her daughter and makes them miserable. meanwhile, Edward keeps having sex with teenagers with no legal or moral repercussions.

Why does everything seem to turn into a battle of the patriarchy for me? lol

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filmgal wrote:

I don't like Twilight because one of the leads, a 104 yr. old vampire, is still in High School. If you think about it, that's wrong and creepy on so many levels. First, is mentally deficent in some respect? Has he flunked his senior year 87 times in a row? Second, he's a 104 yr. old dude hitting on high school girls! Ick! What a pervert!

OMIGAH! I totally agree! What I'm trying to figure out is..... who exactly is doing his paperwork, like social security, shot record, birth certificate, etc. Because, first off, he's supposedly adopted, which you would think the school would be looking into that, secondly, after that many years and traveling the world over and over, you would think his brain capacity would surpass that of an 70 year old college professor, and it would show up some time or other....

And I totally agree with the pervert part. He's 104, been to every place imaginable and back, probably had unprotected sex with countless partners, but decides to go to high school and spread it around? WTF? And the first time he sees a new person he wants to jump their bones basically? Good greif. Weird and disturbing.

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ellenXxXzena][quote=filmgal wrote:

...probably had unprotected sex with countless partners, but decides to go to high school and spread it around?

Just think of all those poor girls he's given STDs and AIDs to.

(I mean, since he's dead he's most likely immune to all those diseases, but his sexual partners wouldn't be.)

This is assuming that he's even capable of having an erection, which I kind of doubt since vampires don't have a pulse which would indicate he doesn't have any circulation.

Unless someone's invented Vampire Strength Viagra, which I kind of doubt.

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filmgal wrote:

Just think of all those poor girls he's given STDs and AIDs to.

(I mean, since he's dead he's most likely immune to all those diseases, but his sexual partners wouldn't be.)

This is assuming that he's even capable of having an erection, which I kind of doubt since vampires don't have a pulse which would indicate he doesn't have any circulation.

Unless someone's invented Vampire Strength Viagra, which I kind of doubt.

So true. I'm still trying to figure out how he was able to get Bella pregnant.... unless it's not his... that would be funny as hell. But still disturbing.

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yea... how come Edward still has working sperm?

And how come they weren't using ANY birth control? Did they want to get pregnant? isn't that, like, really irresponsible of Meyer to write, considering how many young girls read her books? Why isn't any left-wing parental neurotic jumping down her throat about setting a bad example for girls who are sexually active at a young age?

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Superheidi wrote:

yea... how come Edward still has working sperm?

And how come they weren't using ANY birth control? Did they want to get pregnant? isn't that, like, really irresponsible of Meyer to write, considering how many young girls read her books? Why isn't any left-wing parental neurotic jumping down her throat about setting a bad example for girls who are sexually active at a young age?

Good questions. I was also wondering how Edward had sperm. Some where or other, I read in one of those vampire romance books that have heavy sex scenes in it that the vampire's sperm turns into blood. Ew. Why anyone would want to have fantasies about being bit on the neck and humped by a zombie who is a cannibal is beyond me. Well, I think Meyer wrote to scene to mask the fact that her education was a waste of her parent's time. Didn't work. The reason why you don't see Republican Wankers going off about this is because they're children would literaly murder them. People these days are freaking weird like that.

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Back in my day.....

Seriously, back in my day, we liked boys who were alive, like River Phoenix. Well, until he was dead, that is.

The thought of sperm turning into blood really grosses me out, far more than Edward's sperm being sperm. shudder.

back in MY day... vampires weren't sex objects for little girls. Even when Interview with the Vampire came out, me and all my adolescent friends totally didn't want to have sex with Tom cruise OR Brad Pitt in that flick. There were creepy to us. Not sure how the grown ladies felt, but we weren't into them.

Now, the two coreys in Lost Boys? We dug them. they KILLED the vampires.

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I've never read the books so can't really comment on them.

I know the movies are the ultimate fantasy for young adolescent girls. When I watched New Moon. It's Edward and Jacob fighting over which one of them gets to love Bella more. That's definitely a fantasy for teenie-bopper girls.

Kristen Stewart is very accessible to young fans in the movies. She wears hardly any make-up. She wears casual clothing, like tennis shoes, plaid buttoned shirts, drives a beat-up red truck and she's cute. She's a girl that girls can relate too.

All the reasons that you guys listed about why the series suck, is totally true.

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So yeah, a few things I want to say first:

1) I've read all the books and seen all the movies (the former is for a paper that I'm writing and the latter is for my job, not because I'm a fan) so if anyone seriously wants to know about Edward graduating HS or having STDs or why Bella gets preggers and how the Mormon Ms. Meyers made it morally ok, I can post the answers. I just wasn't sure if anyone really cared to know that badly and I didn't wanna sound like some snotty know-it-all. I'm gunna try to keep from sounding that way but I tend to go a lil overboard on this stuff so I apologize in advance...

2) YES 40-something women fantasize about Edward/Jacob AND the actors who play them. I've seen the super-fans in person and it's really icky. Jail bait: It's not just for men anymore!

3) I get why vampires are considered sexy- to women at least. I mean, vampirism has always been metaphorically tied to sex in books and movies, not every single one of them but in general, and vamp feeding is often directly linked to sex: Biting = penetrating, exchanging blood = exchanging...other fluids, etc. Anne Rice's vamps were physically impotent and drinking blood was what they did instead. Usually vampires can make a bite extremely pleasurable if they choose to: Laurell K. Hamilton's vamp bites can literally cause orgasms that last several minutes and humans have eagerly let themselves be drained because it felt so good. Considering that only 25% of American women orgasm consistently during sex and 5% have never had an orgasm EVER can't you see the appeal in a sure thing? Plus the vamps that can have sex have hundreds of years of practice pleasing women and could probably rock your world even without biting you.

So um, if you're still awake and reading this I have finally made it to answering the original question. Yay!

I have lots of reasons why I personally dislike the Twilight series but the main issue I have is that I believe that it's literally detrimental to teens and young girls. I think the messages it sends are harmful, non-empowering, and potentially dangerous.

Both of the male main characters/love interests are controlling, manipulative, violent, and in my opinion, abusive. Edward believes he knows "what's best" for Bella and often forces his choice on her. He even goes so far as disabling her truck so that she can't leave her house and bribing his sister into making sure Bella doesn't go anywhere or do anything he doesn't approve of while he's away on his mandatory bi-monthly hunting/feeding trips. Jacob is no better. He basically tells Bella he's going to kill himself in order to get what he wants from her, AND he sexually assaults her! Which, by the way, her father responds to by giving him a verbal pat on the back. The book endorses accepting this behavior instead of recognizing it as wrong and a warning sign of what could become a dangerous situation. So what if your bf tells you that you can't see your friends! (Or what you can't wear...or eat...or believe about yourself) And big deal if a guy friend forces himself on you- it's just a kiss. (Or a few kisses, or some touching) Deep down in your heart you secretly wanted it but wont admit it. (You were flirting so you were asking for it, you didn't fight so that means yes) And when you tell your mom or dad about the things that happen to you, like being kissed against your will, they won't take you seriously because it's no big deal (and neither will anyone else you try to talk to about these things so why bother? You're on your own.)

Not to mention the fact that the whole series revolves around Bella being defined by who she's with and the difficulties of choosing between two guys. What kind of message is that sending to young women?? Bella is a TERRIBLE role model and a poor example of a woman at any age.

The whole thing makes me angry and sad. I'm a big nerd and a huge fan of books and reading and would love to see more kids and teens finding joy in them and it just kills me that there's finally something that girls are excited to read and discuss...and I don't want them anywhere near the damn things!

Plus the Twilight movies are not a freaking saga!!! You know what was a saga?!? Star Wars was a saga! LOTR was a saga!! Twilight, New Moon, and Eclipse are 3 out of 4 poor quality films with massive appeal within a certain demographic and you can not make that crap into a real saga just by calling it that!

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*clapping* Wink

I for one am extremely interested in the weird questions raised and would love if you would help us out by answering them.

1) Why does Edward choose to go to high school, and how does he continually stay in high school? Does the family move every two years so he can stay in high school? Does he do any homework? and for that matter, does bella?

2) Do they ever explain how his sperm stays alive? I doubt it, cause that's 'gross', but how does it work in the books?

3) And what is the attitude towards Bella's pregnancy? Does she graduate high school before they get married? I assume they marry before she gets pregnant. And what kind of ceremony do they have? How do they plan on the relationship staying together shen she ages and he doesn't?

4) Do they describe the resulting child in any detail?

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Superheidi wrote:

Back in my day.....

Seriously, back in my day, we liked boys who were alive, like River Phoenix. Well, until he was dead, that is.

The thought of sperm turning into blood really grosses me out, far more than Edward's sperm being sperm. shudder.

back in MY day... vampires weren't sex objects for little girls. Even when Interview with the Vampire came out, me and all my adolescent friends totally didn't want to have sex with Tom cruise OR Brad Pitt in that flick. There were creepy to us. Not sure how the grown ladies felt, but we weren't into them.

Now, the two coreys in Lost Boys? We dug them. they KILLED the vampires.

I've never had a thing for vampires. I mean, I'm young enough to have lived my teen years in the Twilight era, but still managed to keep my wits about me. (Yea... I was there when the books first came out. Luckly, I'm also old enough where I didn't have to directly see the craziness from the movies... just the books.) I have read other vampire romance, and books about vampires without romance, and just don't comprehend how you would want to even touch one. When I was going to school, I was more obsessed (and in love) with Hannibal Lector and Freddy Krueger. Not because I find them sexy, but because of their minds. LOL I'm weird like that. My friends were more of anime fans and falling in love with anime characters than vampires.... which is probably weirder. LOL. I've always been a fan of serial minded guys. I know... I'm about as weird as it gets. But I don't want to have sex with them..... unlike most people who fall in love with fictional characters... O_o. Well, I also had and still have a love for Johnny Depp... but who in their right mind doesn't?

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Ms.Mordant wrote:

I just wasn't sure if anyone really cared to know that badly and I didn't wanna sound like some snotty know-it-all. I'm gunna try to keep from sounding that way but I tend to go a lil overboard on this stuff so I apologize in advance...

Don't worry. If you haven't noticed already, lots of people on here actually like to learn about things and usually like giving explanations too. Especially me. XD. Which is why I'm actually contributing instead of siging up and forgetting about this place. They actually have brains here... unlike most forums. So get on your soap box and rant some more, I say!

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I have much manly love for Johnny Depp.

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Pretty sure Depp is alive. So you aren't like... a sicko or anything.

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ellenXxXzena wrote:

Don't worry. If you haven't noticed already, lots of people on here actually like to learn about things and usually like giving explanations too. Especially me. XD. Which is why I'm actually contributing instead of siging up and forgetting about this place. They actually have brains here... unlike most forums. So get on your soap box and rant some more, I say!

Well, if that isn't the nicest compliment we've ever gotten! Wink

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Superheidi wrote:

Well, if that isn't the nicest compliment we've ever gotten! Wink

Big smile No problem. I'm just happy that I found a place where I can discuss horror and such without having to worry about some weirdo harrassing me. Plus, it's nice to see a place where the forum isn't laced with illiterate imbeciles who think that all because they text like they're speaking in tongue means they should have conversations like that.

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The ironic thing is that, currently, S. Meyers is probably the most successful "woman in horror",

That's only if the ability to farm cash is the one and only metric used to define "success". Tongue

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That fan letter about The Wolfman ripping off Twilight was one of the funniest and most disturbing things I've ever read on the internet.

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I think my statement above was completely missing the irony of 1000 Wolve's post and I do apologize to the entire thread. Laughing out loud

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You said to get down with my verbose self so here goes because I have even more to say and encouragement to say it! X-D
I'm going to start with the most recent post and work my way back.
One Thousand Wolves: I'm not trying to be mean here I swear. I honestly can not tell... are you trying to be funny/ironic? I'm not always the best at picking up tone in people's posts.
But in case you are serious I'll let you know that Twilight in no way inspired or had anything to do with the 2010 movie The Wolfman with Benicio Del Toro. That was a remake of the 1941 horror classic The Wolf Man with Lon Chaney Jr. The story, cinematography, even the effects and makeup were updated ideas taken directly from the 1941 version and given zazz.
Also, Twilight isn't horror. How do I know this? Because both the author and the director of the first movie said so. Maybe some people consider it horror but that's never what it was intended to be either in print or on film.
By the way, if you really are waiting for the 4th movie because you think that "eventually Edward beats the shit out of Bela's vagina with his cock" you will be sorely disappointed. A) That doesn't even happen in the book, and B) The director has already said that they won't be showing a sex scene between Edward and Bella, just the usual fade to black and waking up in bed together the next morning. Sorry Smile
ellenXxXzena: I totally get what you mean- I understand why people find vampires sexy in theory, I just never really saw them that way either. And I think I might one-up you on the weird/crazy factor when it comes to fictional character crushes... I seem to have some kind of bad-guy radar. Whenever I'm watching something and I think "oh he's pretty hot" thats the guy who inevitably turns out to be the killer. Not only that, but I seem to find guys much hotter once I've seen them be or do something evil. Like Sayid in Lost; didn't do anything for me until I saw him kill a guy with his feet. Or Sam Winchester; only sexy as Lucifer's meat-suit dressed all in white. And Dr. Lecter? Love him.
I like some good guys too, though most of them have a dark streak. And even my mom has a Johnny Depp poster in her bedroom!
Superheidi: So the Twilight weirdness... Why Edward chooses to repeatedly go to high school really boils down to him being the only member of the Cullen family without a mate.
All of the kids have gone to high school (and college) several times. When vamps want to live around people they can't draw attention to themselves and have to move on before people start noticing they aren't really getting any older. So the younger they claim to be when they get there, the longer they can stay. Edward is the youngest in the sense that he was physically 17 when he was turned so it's easy for him to pass as a junior or senior in HS. The others are older and have a harder time with it so usually start as seniors and go off to "college" (or France or wherever) or sometimes live as newlyweds or young couples on their own. But Edward doesn't have a mate so he stays with Carlisle. Edward was the first vamp Carlisle ever turned and he only did it because he was already dying and his whole family was dead. He saved his mate Esme similarly shortly after that. Why doesn't Edward just go off on his own? Apparently the vamps that want to hold on to their humanity and not kill need contact with like-minded vamps and with real humans in order to do so. Edward tried to go on his own but couldn't stand it, killed people, and came back. So Edward's stuck with Carlisle and Esme either as a HS or college student. He does homework but it's as easy as breathing to him since he's done everything so many times before. Bella does homework and studies for tests and gets decent/good grades most of the time. Edward is very big on making sure she studies and gets into a good college so she could go instead of becoming a vamp like she wants to.
The explanation they give about Edward's sperm staying alive is just that vampires are frozen in the state they are in when they are changed and in order to have a baby a woman's body must change. But a man's body stays the same all of his life- he has no such thing as childbearing years. (Charlie Chaplin was 73 when his youngest son was born) But how would anyone know that vamp sperm worked if only female vamps were the ones having sex? Well no one would. And no one did until Bella gets knocked up!
Bella and Edwards marriage and sexlife were all part of the negotiations for turning Bella into a vamp- something she wanted and he didn't. She wants to be with him forever and is ready at 17 to give everything up and do just that. Plus things keep trying to kill her. In New Moon Edward leaves Bella to try and force her to get over him because he thinks she'd be better off without him.It doesnt work of course and he comes back. He also makes it clear that if/when she dies he plans to kill himself right after, something his family wont tolerate. So Carlisle agrees to turn Bella after she graduates and tells Edward "You've chosen not to live without her, and I will not lose my son." Bella confesses to Edward that she would like him to be the one to turn her. He agrees on one condition: that she marry him first. Bella's parents getting married right out of high school and their painful separation have ingrained in Bella a fear that marriage ruins love/relationships, making Edwards request the one thing she is hesitant to agree to. They go on for a while in that stalemate until Bella decides she also wants to have sex before she's turned. Edward flat out refuses, saying it's too dangerous because of his vampire strength. But Bella begs and pleads and agrees to marry him if he would just try and if it doesn't work then it doesn't work. So Edward reluctantly gives in...but of course they must be married first! It's God's Will. So the summer after graduation they get married at the beautiful and huge Cullen house. It's a traditional ceremony- indoors at around dusk- only instead of "till death do us part" they say "for as long as ye both shall live" Her parents are there, her dad walks her down the isle, it's all so mushy you just wanna puke Wink
Bella gets pregnant on her honeymoon and that pregnancy, the disruption it causes, the childbirth, Bella being turned, and the interactions of everyone with young vampire Bella and her child with Edward pretty much make up the last book. The child becomes a central character so oh yeah you get a description in detail- and the shit gets even weirder AFTER Bella gets pregnant.
Dang...I just go on and on X-D
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You said to get down with my verbose self so here goes because I have even more to say and encouragement to say it! X-D
I'm going to start with the most recent post and work my way back.
One Thousand Wolves: I'm not trying to be mean here I swear. I honestly can not tell... are you trying to be funny/ironic? I'm not always the best at picking up tone in people's posts.
But in case you are serious I'll let you know that Twilight in no way inspired or had anything to do with the 2010 movie The Wolfman with Benicio Del Toro. That was a remake of the 1941 horror classic The Wolf Man with Lon Chaney Jr. The story, cinematography, even the effects and makeup were updated ideas taken directly from the 1941 version and given zazz.
Also, Twilight isn't horror. How do I know this? Because both the author and the director of the first movie said so. Maybe some people consider it horror but that's never what it was intended to be either in print or on film.
By the way, if you really are waiting for the 4th movie because you think that "eventually Edward beats the shit out of Bela's vagina with his cock" you will be sorely disappointed. A) That doesn't even happen in the book, and B) The director has already said that they won't be showing a sex scene between Edward and Bella, just the usual fade to black and waking up in bed together the next morning. Sorry Smile
ellenXxXzena: I totally get what you mean- I understand why people find vampires sexy in theory, I just never really saw them that way either. And I think I might one-up you on the weird/crazy factor when it comes to fictional character crushes... I seem to have some kind of bad-guy radar. Whenever I'm watching something and I think "oh he's pretty hot" thats the guy who inevitably turns out to be the killer. Not only that, but I seem to find guys much hotter once I've seen them be or do something evil. Like Sayid in Lost; didn't do anything for me until I saw him kill a guy with his feet. Or Sam Winchester; only sexy as Lucifer's meat-suit dressed all in white. And Dr. Lecter? Love him.
I like some good guys too, though most of them have a dark streak. And even my mom has a Johnny Depp poster in her bedroom!

I was going to reply to One Thousand Wolves but, I think you've done the job for me already. LOL. Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I find dark, evil guys more interesting than the hero in stories. Just do. They're more complex, less boring, and usually hot in some way. *shrugs* That's just me. HAHA I felt the same way about Sayid. He was kind of BLAH until one figured out that he tortured people and stuff... then it was like HELLO! LOL. Love But I like Sawyer. Sexy dude who will eff you up if he felt like it.

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Ms.Mordant wrote:

Bella gets pregnant on her honeymoon and that pregnancy, the disruption it causes, the childbirth, Bella being turned, and the interactions of everyone with young vampire Bella and her child with Edward pretty much make up the last book. The child becomes a central character so oh yeah you get a description in detail- and the shit gets even weirder AFTER Bella gets pregnant.
Dang...I just go on and on X-D

Doesn't Jacob find out his feelings for Bella are actually for her unborn child who is his soul mate?

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Ms. Mordant, you're right the series is gross and weird. Edward and Jacob do treat Bella pretty horribly. It is unhealthy the way Bella's life revolves around Edward. I always wonder does Bella have any life goals? Does she want to go to college? She's got her whole life ahead of her. This series doesn't have a great message for young women.

New Moon (film): One of the werewolf's girlfriend has a huge scar on her face caused by her boyfriend who gave it to her when he was in werewolf form, yet she still dates him. In the film, werewolfness seems to be a metaphor for masculinity, but then I'd probably be giving Twilight too much credit at even attempting to be that insightful. Male culture does seem to have a violent aspect to it at times. Domestic violence is one of the highest causes of women's deaths in this country.

Anyway, Twilight's not good.

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Yes. Jacob discovers that he's "imprinted" on Bella's child, which is basically the werewolf equivalent of a soulmate. It's not like, sexual though. It's more like she's the center of his universe. So as a baby/child he loves her as much as any parent loves their own child and would do anything for them. Then as she gets older (and he wont because the wolves don't age- convenient eh?) he'll supposedly be the best, most loyal friend and protector she could ever have. And then when she's an adult he will be her perfect match; exactly suited to her in every way and completely devoted to her. It's such a strange concept.
Jacob also pissed me off because of how he acted towards Bella and her daughter after Bella gave birth and became a vamp. Not letting her hold her own baby, getting in the way of a mother bonding with her child and acting all smug about it, and all of this after the complete Hell of a pregnancy Bella went through- with virtually no support and Jacob telling her she was stupid and not strong enough to do it the whole time. As a woman I was pissed on Bella's behalf and I don't even like her!

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One Thousand Wolves:
Ah, okay...
See? Bad with written tone.
And now I just feel lame all over Oups

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Ms.Mordant wrote:

Yes. Jacob discovers that he's "imprinted" on Bella's child, which is basically the werewolf equivalent of a soulmate. It's not like, sexual though. It's more like she's the center of his universe. So as a baby/child he loves her as much as any parent loves their own child and would do anything for them. Then as she gets older (and he wont because the wolves don't age- convenient eh?) he'll supposedly be the best, most loyal friend and protector she could ever have. And then when she's an adult he will be her perfect match; exactly suited to her in every way and completely devoted to her. It's such a strange concept.

That sounds like the perfect romantic fantasy for women with an Electra complex. Tongue

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Ah, so marrying right out of high school = 'bad', according to Bella, but having a baby right out of high school is fine and does nothing to destroy a relationship? Herm.

And, did I hear this right - Bella's father actually walks her down the aisle, happily? She's freakin 17! Let ALONE the fact that she's marrying a vampire.

And yes, based on what you said about the scar on the face, it does seem that Meyer says 'men hit sometimes. Oh well!'. men do not 'naturally' hit women, no matter how angry they get. Any more than I do. It is socialization that allows that specific type of violence.

I would LOVE to know how Mr. Stephanie Meyer feels about Edward. Does this man feel threatened that his wife is in love with a teenage vampire she created? I'm sure he likes the money and all, I just wonder. It is very telling about Meyer's inner desires and morals. I would bet she married her husband right out of high school and starting popping out babies asap.

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Superheidi wrote:

Ah...it does seem that Meyer says 'men hit sometimes. Oh well!'....

I think it's more like "if a man really loves you, he'll knock you up in High School and hit you to just to show you how much he cares."

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Wow, this series sucks for a lot of reasons.

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What I love about all the responses to the whole Wolfman/Twilight ripoff scandal is how serious people are about their werewolf lore. They're like:

"Everyone KNOWS that werewolves are killed with silver bullets and have a painful transformation that coincides with the phases of the moon blah blah!!"

Um, yes...those are definitely the facts about the mythical, non-existing, monsters. Yup.

And yes, I admit that I have been known to say that the "vampires" in Twilight are not real vampires.

But that is a combination of me expressing my frustration at how completely and utterly lame Ms. Meyer's so-called vamps are and the fact that even she herself said that the creatures she created had almost nothing to do with the traditional vampire concept; she just wanted a supernatural being of some kind. She's never read Dracula or any other vampire novels. She's never seen any vampire movies, though she did say that she started to watch Interview With a Vampire but turned it off because it was "too icky."

She even said Twilight isn't a vampire story/movie- it's a love story that just happens to have vampires in it.

(Which is exactly what I wrote in my review when it came out, only instead of "love story" I put "chick-flick" Innocent )

I just can't wait for the last movie to come out and for all the craziness to be over. I'm also grateful that my nieces are too young to read or watch the Twilight series and by the time they are old enough it will be passe. I want my girls to read about women with character traits worth emulating and who aren't so self-absorbed and shallow that their entire world is about choosing between two guys.

That's why on Saturday I gave all my nieces and nephews their first comic book Big smile

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1090295-blade_twilight_super

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ahhh, whoever is making those, please tell them not to stop.

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lmao I like the blade one

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Blade! One of the few enjoyable vampire characters in the film industry. Some one should make more of these motivational posters.

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