Second Season of Walking Dead

If they all sat down and had a conversation about it, I think it would be just fine. And who cares who the father of the new baby is — it's new life in a dead world. Right?

Caught last night's episode and it's a solid "meh," as the rest of the season has been so far. The zombie horde was a great opener, but the series has ground to a halt.

If the little girl comes out of the woods unharmed and alive, I'll probably curse the writers out loud (that would be embarrassing, as I'm watching it a bar that runs specials on Dead Guy Ale during the show). Face it, SHE'S DEAD! Any other outcome is simply a plot device for cementing Rick's faith and leadership, and to drive another wedge between him and Shane.

Shane offing Otis was a great touch and I know the screenwriters are setting up a conflict between him and Rick over "the tough decisions." Only problem is, at the pace this show is moving, we'll all forget about Otis before the two butt heads.

As for last night's "Daryl-centric" episode, I wasn't impressed. He falls down a hill, impales himself on an arrow, takes out two zombies and walks out of the woods unscathed (at least until Andrea "grazes" him in the head). I know he's become the series favorite, but I am getting tired of his superhuman survival capabilities. For starts, how often can you use an arrow before it gets dull, bends or shatters, or in some other way becomes useless? And the less about his dead shot abilities, the better.

I'd like to see Daryl lose his crossbow, or his arrow, or just get wounded to the point that he can't pull everyone's fat out of the fire every week. Or, better yet, kill him and really make the rest of the group work on the "hard choices." Make the group worry about dwindling ammo and the lack of a redneck savior that can pull antibiotics out of his ass whenever the group needs it. Maybe they'll finally get around to giving the women some basic weapons skills so they can do something.

Sorry for the rant, but the show has such potential, yet continues to squander it. I hope they can pull it together after the upcoming break.

I think it had some good moments; one of the better eps this season. My favorite image was the zombies mulling around in the barn like cattle. But it would've been better if they were Romero zombies. I can hear 'em bellowing "braaaaaaains, braaaaaaaaaains," like cows lowing "mooooo, mooooo."

Easy: ZOMBIE CHUPACABRA!!!

I enjoy the show when something ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Last week's shootout was great. This week had some good moments. But I'm tired of the characters acting out-of-character at the writer staff's whim. Everyone is so busy reacting that most of them have never really been developed beyond "old guy" or "redneck" or "loose cannon." Overall, I think the series is improving.

Man that's hilarious because in the comic book Shane is the person who is not at all to be trusted. I think even in the show he shouldn't be. I don't know what they plan to do with this character in the tv show, but he is an asshole.

1. He tried to rape Lori in the CDC, people can say all they want that he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing. The fact that he did it none the less. Just because he said he was sorry doesn't change the fact.

2. He lets the zombies out of the barn thinking he can control the situation by shooting the zombies. Because that's all that needed to be done just to prove a point. Also he didn't bother to realize that situation could of easily gotten out of hand if a gun jammed and what not. So now you have a little horde of zombies ready to jump and eat you because your gun is jammed. Plus he didn't take into consideration yes there are dead people who would eat them. But they were also Hershel's family, friends and than Sophia (which was so fucking stupid she was in the barn they should of went with what they had in the comics or something better than that crap). He decided he knew what was best regardless how other people felt about it, even to the point he put people's lives in danger.

3. Shane is extremely delusional thinking Lori, Carl, and the baby he assumes is his (maybe it is and maybe it isn't) that they are going to be together. Not going to let Rick stand in the way of having his post-apocalyptic family. That wasn't even his to begin with. The point is he wants Rick out of the way, even Dale noticed this guy is not quite right and probably is dangerous. Lori has no interest in being with Shane, that was a one time thing because she honest to god thought her husband was dead. She was grieving and not in her right mind, so she had sex with Shane and it was a one time thing. Shane can't accept it and wants people out of the way to get what he thinks is his. The world has gone to shit and like Dale said and its taking Shane along with it. He is going to his baser needs and only wants survival for himself in the end and take a woman he is delusional about to be his new wife (regardless if she wants to be or not).

If it were me I would of put one in his head a long time ago.

Plus I hate what they have done to Andrea and they even commented on the Talking Dead (the after show) that she was such emotional wreck after her sister being dead and all she needed was some dick by an asshole to kick some ass again. I'm sorry that was totally insulting to her character, and well just cheapen the show and her a bit. I hope this season gets better and Lori isn't so annoying. Plus the whole baby thing was not that big of a deal between them in the comic books at least. Only Shane because he thinks he can have things the way they were with him Lori, Carl, and his baby she thinks she is carrying.

Thank you! I have been saying the same thing! It's like I think the issue with some people have with the show is that they are trying to make it into a stereotypical, zombie, shoot-out fest. I love how they are so blatantly make it more Romero style. Not to say it wasn't before, especially the comic books first inception. But now its even more so in the TV series. I think what people and I love about the comic book it was more about the human interactions with one another than it being just be all zombie action. I think they are trying to over compensate with melodramatic overly soap-opera dialogue and again characters just not making sense.

Which is interesting even Herschel was saying that. Which is true that they needed to go and that guy might of died anyway while taking him. I think they try too much to show Rick is a good guy, although he had no problems putting a bullet through those asshole guy's friends. Which he had ever right to, they showed themselves to be threatening and seemed more interested in getting pussy (their words by the way) than survival in general. In my opinion Rick, Glenn, and Herschel were justified in killing those guys, so why the hell would you save one of his friends? Why bring in some guy who maybe threatening, when you already worried about Shane? You are definitely right about that. I need to go back and read what happens again in the third book, but I have a pretty good memory. But the writers need to step it up because all this mismatch characterizations and drama is getting like I said too soap operay.

I see what the writers were doing with Rick and the guy impaled on the fence. The story now drew a clear line as what Rick would do to survive (not kill someone in cold blood or use them to escape) compared to Shane. The two guys in the bar deserved it, as did the guy in the back of the bar. But the kid was unarmed, no longer a threat and at least was blindfolded on the trip to the farm.

I don't mind the human drama aspect of the film. Mellisa and Glen's little moment was pretty good, showing Glen's concern that his feelings for her might cost someone their life. But Shane telling Lori he loves her and wants her, everyone saying Shane is dangerous (and he is; if you don't think he'd kill anyone, even Andrea, to stay alive or get what he wants, you're wrong and I think the next episode will prove it) and repeating it every damn episode is getting on my nerves. It's as if the writers plotted things out for another 6 episode season, then had to pad things out for 12 once the show was renewed.

Oh geez. I knew there was a reason I didn't keep watching that show.

I think Shane THINKS his intentions are good. He believes he is the no nonsense hero of the story.

I agree. That does not mean Shane is not a selfish asshole. Her husband turned out to not be dead, she understandably went back to her husband. Shanecould have accepted that...but he is a bastard who demands Larie stay with him. He tries to control Laurie.

I was hoping the writers would address this issue at some point. Unlike the comic (I've only read the first six issues), it sounds like Lori slept with Shane more than once. Was it for survival or mourning, and would that revelation change Shane's general asshole attitude? And would it change viewers feelings about Lori, how would it change her relationship with Rick, and the general direction of the show?

Just another missed opportunity in a show that tend to drop the ball when it comes to challenging subject matter. Oh well, as long as the keep the zombie kills coming, l'll watch it.

Of course and again I think people should worry about real issues like "How are we going to sleep tonight with dead people around who can come in my tent and eat me?" I mean do we really need to worry about someone's wife sleeping with another guy because she thought her husband was dead? Which again she was pissed she felt that Shane took advantage of her grief by telling her a lie. I'm not saying that situation is simple and we can try to say what we would of done versus to what actually happen. But she was grieving and not thinking right and maybe would of honestly held out hope that her husband was still alive until Shane told her he was dead. So maybe her accepting that he was dead, was the only way she could survive for her son. In the comic book that issue wasn't at all that dragged out, Rick actually told Lori he knew something happened between Shane and her. He was actually pretty calm and a matter of fact about it, although he was clearly hurt he did understood that she honestly thought he was dead. I only saw maybe one time Rick getting pissed when Dale was questioning him that he was honestly going to welcome a baby that he wasn't sure that wasn't even his? Again that was in the comic book, but it wasn't that big of an issue they made it to be in the show.

That's what pissed me off because Lori is seen as a "whore" according to some viewers and Shane gets off scot-free and that Lori was being "mean" to Shane because he tried to tell her she loved him. Of course people left out that he was trying to rape her at the same time while he was drunk! But that wasn't his fault, she lead two men on and fucked both of them over. I swear to god I have seen so many people say that it was really starting to bother me. I mean people honestly weren't to bothered that Shane left his "so-called" friend to die in a hospital filled with zombies and even pointed a gun at him in anger. That dude is an asshole who is not to be trusted.

Well there was some of that in the comic book fandom, however it was quite small and not that vocal and was quickly dismissed. Like I said, bigger issues to deal with like staying alive, finding food, and dealing with the elements of the land. But I have seen from casual viewers of the show who actually have said those things. Also these people maybe not huge horror fans or whatever, but honest to god they have made these comments. How come this show is so slow? Where are the fucking zombies? That Lori woman is a bitch how could she do that to her man and to his friend? He saved her and her kid! Well they should let Shane lead because he kicks ass, Rick is nothing but a pussy.

I know the show isn't necessarily trying to portray Lori in a negative light. I think in their own way they are trying to make the characters appear more multidimensional with flaws and mistakes they may have and may make. I just don't feel the writing is realistically portraying these things equally without making them appear too ham fisted. Hopefully that can change for the better, I mean there was some moments that I enjoyed in season 2, but I also felt like the writers in that season didn't know how to deal with a slashed budget and maybe did the best with what they had. Like Chris said, it appeared to fill in the gaps for a 12 episode run instead of the six episodes. Personally, I don't understand why they didn't use some aspects from the second book. I don't think it would of cost them that much, and would of made the overall story better. I'm not going to spoil it, but it deals a lot with how they are going to find food, and shelter, than the come upon the farm. Plus that whole sequence with the barn which worked a lot better in the comic book. It wasn't such a cheap-shot ending like the made in the show. Not to say it had to be exactly like the comic books, but hey could of been more creative in dealing with that. Just my opinion.

As I was saying I think people appear to like Shane more is because he is willing to "kick more ass" than Rick and that he should lead because he makes decisions regardless if everyone agrees with or not. While I think Rick is more democratic and diplomatic, and still regards himself as someone trying desperately to hold onto common sense and rationality. Shane apparently thinks he doesn't have to do that since the world has gone to shit. Rick is learning fast that he does have to make the hard decisions. Because you certainly don't want Shane to make them for you. He is selfish, and thinks only of himself and what maybe benefits others if it goes along with his needs and desires. But again that doesn't really matter because he thinks of himself as the boss. He isn't too much worried though if someone in that group is in danger while making his decisions. For example, releasing the zombies from the barn to shoot one by one. That was incredibly stupid thing to do. Just because they are slow and dead, doesn't mean you should underestimate a situation that still presents itself as deadly one none the less. Even Glenn started to remember how deadly the walkers still are. Shane is ruled by his base needs and internal need to survive, at any costs. Apparently it doesn't matter he basically left a man for dead, and didn't have the basic decency to shoot him in the head so he didn't have to be eaten alive. But apparently this guy is a "hero" to casual viewers by these wonderful comments here.

http://david470.hubpages.com/hub/The-Walking-Dead-Season-2-Ep3-Did-Shane-Make-the-Right-Decision-SPOILERS

And this...

And this....

I can't find the one that calls Lori all kinds of names right now. But I have seen they basically call Lori a "whore" "who can't do nothing, but bitch and be mad at everyone." So I will get back to you on that.

But, back to what I was saying nobody (well the casual viewers) don't get it or trying to sympathize way too much with Shane's predicament more than they should. Plus those viewer's comments do demonstrate a lot of them are probably adolescent boys or man-children thinking Shane is a great example on how to survive in a world filled with zombies. "I get to be Rambo and rape any woman I want and make decisions that I want! I don't have to think of the group fuck that I'm a cop! I can do whatever the hell I want! I can even take this old man's land by force and eat up all his food just because I can! Fuck talking to people sensibly, I'm going to take this man's farm it doesn't matter if he likes it or not than it will become my farm!"

Again I see a lot of this for Shane.

"I feel so sorry for Shane because he is in love with his best-friend's wife, but she said no and that hurt his feelings." Wah fucking wah.

Also some of these people maybe trolling, plain idiots, or my don't see the whole picture, but I have seen men and women even feel very sorry for Shane.

Ok that's great and all he saved his best friends wife and son. But he isn't owed anymore more than that, he isn't entitled to shit. I see a lot more sympathy for Shane, than people actually seeing the show and Shane for who he really is like this one viewer...

People are thinking just because Shane can shoot pretty well, and he is willing to make decisions right away (without realizing the consequences of them) that he is a natural born leader. Just because one makes decisions hastily, doesn't mean they are always the right ones. It's obvious Shane is losing his mind, he maybe did have good intentions in the beginning. But he is a changed man in a changed world and not for the good. Obviously the no-nonsense hero of the series so far it seems is Daryl. Dude was a asshole piece of shit too,(correction still kind of an asshole), but he started to change and thought of others safety and not just his own. He even looked for Sophia, despite thinking to himself she was probably dead. He did that anyway knowing that it wasn't necessarily his responsibility to do. I mean yes in that world we probably have to make the real hard decisions that we don't want to make. But at least you have to keep in mind you are trying to do it for the good of the group. Although the moral grey area of that is a hard one. But if we don't try to hang on trying to being humane to one another than what is the point of trying to save what's left of humanity? Than what is the point of survival?