Real. Fucking. Nice.

Eww. Or one that proclaims "Silence equals approval."

Man I saw them talking about this on the news, but I didn't get everything they were saying because they were already moving on to the next topic. But wow really? It's just so very disgusting how people still have these attitudes that when someone is raped they are "asking for it" somehow. Especially if is a woman. You know I use to remember a anti-drug ad that implied the samething when I saw this as a little girl. It showed a girl who got high and a guy trying slowly trying to rape her and telling her to "shut up" when she was saying no. The ad I could of sworn they said "If you weren't doing drugs you could be more aware and this wouldn't happen to you." You know that kind of really bothered me as a kid, and when I got older I was like "Hey so they were implying it was her fault because she did weed that? That is fucked up."

Plus the other day I read a woman who was jogging by herself in Dallas and some guy try to assault her, but the woman fought back. She received a lot of slashes to her face and body from a knife while they were fighting. One commenter actually said, "Well if she practice the buddy system this would of never happen to her. It's her fault for being stupid!" Is it anymore a little girl's fault that someone snatchers her from her front-yard when her mother was getting something from the fridge? This whole culture of blaming victims is so very destructive it doesn't matter if you're a hooker, did drugs or alcohol, or even jogged alone. Nobody has the right to do that to you no matter what.

^ Depending on which country you live in, of course. 16-year-olds have the right to consent in the UK.

Vasquez recalled..."You know I use to remember a anti-drug ad that implied the samething when I saw this as a little girl. It showed a girl who got high and a guy trying slowly trying to rape her and telling her to "shut up" when she was saying no. The ad I could of sworn they said "If you weren't doing drugs you could be more aware and this wouldn't happen to you.""

I know exactly which ad you're referring to. "Marijuana. It's more harmful than we all thought." To which I reply, "Dudes. They're more harmful than we all thought." Generalizations aside though, those ads are absurd. Every single scenario they presented (the most amusing being the car full of stoned black guys, cutting up and guffawing of course, who go through a drive thru over and over until eventually, they run over a little girl. On a tricycle. At the drive thru), I found myself screaming, "That's alcohol! ALCOHOL makes you do stupid shit like that!" But naturally, anti-alcohol ads would not go down too well with certain interested parties...so lets blame everything on pot.

Just the girl. To protect her from her dangerous growing sexuality. Amiright?

I'm sure you needn't go that far. Just ask politely, and the silver fox will also cook you an omelet in the morning! Everybody wins!

Oh, I might take some heat for this, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here...

The ad that started this thread IMPLIES that men are getting women drunk and taking advantage of them while sober. And while I have no doubt that might be the case in some situations, I question the idea that men need to know when a woman can't say no if BOTH PARTIES HAVE BEEN DRINKING.

Basically, the ad implies two things. First, women shouldn't drink, as they lose all control and are unable to say no to sexual advances from men. I hate to say it, but if you're that drunk, you probably need to cut back on your alcohol consumption. Such impaired judgment means one shouldn't be driving, yet over indulging is not an excuse for driving while intoxicated. So why excuse poor judgement in sexual matters under the idea that alcohol is to blame, when in every other instance we blame the consumer?

As for the man's role, why is he burdened with having to figure out if the woman is really saying no if they both have been drinking? As we all know, alcohol impairs one's judgement, so why would any woman rely on a drunken frat boy/male bar patron/male party goer to know if she's able to make a rational decision about sex, or anything else for that matter? Blaming the booze, or the men supplying the drinks, tends to set women back to an age when they need someone (a strong, fatherly man) to help them through life.

Let's face it. We've all woken up after tying one on with regrets about the previous night, and that applies to both sexes. But one can't blame the alcohol, or the person who supplied it, unless that person shoved a funnel down your throat and poured the booze into your gullet. If you get so shitfaced that you can't make a rational decision, let alone voice it, then I'm sorry, but it's your own damn fault.

I think our society would be better served if we told teens, both men and women, that booze is a fine thing, but too much will impair your judgement and make you do stupid things, whether it's having unwanted sex or driving your car into a tree. Such an ad campaign would be more honest then one that tells women they shouldn't drink because they can't handle it. It's all about moderation and, while I agree that the best place to learn that ISN'T on a college campus, placing the blame on someone else isn't a good way to deal with the problem either.

Oh, and the frat boys at UVM are assholes, whether they are sober or not. Anyone asking such a question, even in jest, doesn't need any alcohol to revel what they really are. Likewise for the men who answer the question without hesitation. It's idiots like that who give most men a bad name.

At least, I hope so.

Yes, it does. Anytime force is used to procure sex against one's will, whether either person is drunk or not, crosses a boundary that should lead to societal and legal repercussions.

My problem with the ad is that it is assumes men, in the same state of inebriation, would be sober enough to know that a woman is unable to consent to sex. If both are inebriated and unable to make rational decisions, so why should the man be the one shouldering all the responsibilities and suffering all the legal repercussions?

Many (too many) years ago, when I was in a community college, I drove a rather drunken friend home. Granted, I admit, I SHOULDN'T have been driving, but I was young and dumb and made a bad decision, which didn't result in any damage to property or persons. Thank god.

Anyway, I escorted my friend up her walkway (she was pretty shaky on her feet) and, after opening the door, she wrapped one hand around my neck, pulled me in for a rather passionate kiss and asked if I wanted to come inside for awhile. I made up an excuse to say no, got back in my car and drove home (again, the driving home was STUPID, but not part of my point; or maybe it is).

The next week at school, the gal came up to me and thanked me for not taking up her offer, as she said she was rather drunk and not thinking clearly. Now, I'd like to think that my parents, both of whom taught me to treat women with respect, had a lot to play in my decision to cut and run. But I've always wondered, had I had a few more drinks before leaving the party (AGAIN, A STUPID DECISION!!!! CALL A FRIGGING CAB!!!!!), would I have ended up in bed with someone who didn't have the ability to say what she meant, simply because of the alcohol? And would I have made the right decision, had a few more drinks clouded more of my judgment?

I'll be the first to admit (from first hand experience), alcohol can make you do things you'll regret in the morning. I've been lucky enough to avoid such traps, but not everyone is. And, while the ad implies a forced situation (she's on the bathroom floor, from what I can tell), it implies that the man is in total control of the situation, rather than POSSIBLY being as inebriated as she is.

I agree with everyone on the post, that young men should be taught to respect women and their right to say "NO!" to unwanted advances. But I think we should be teaching young people, men and women, about alcohol. Not to say no, as that doesn't work, but how it will affect one's decision making, how it will cause one to be less inhibited, and how it can lead to major consequences if one overindulges.

Let's stop blaming the victim, the "perpetrator" or the booze. Let's teach teens how to deal with alcohol responsibly, so they don't have to face the consequences of the morning after, either in college or later in life. Sure, kids will make mistakes, but maybe we can lessen the severity of such pitfalls if we, as adults, are upfront and honest with them.