This is US presidential hopeful Rick Santorum. He is a super right-wing Catholic social conservative. He thinks all abortion should be illegal, always, even if you're 11 and you were raped by your dad:
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SANTORUM: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn’t have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn’t, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I’ve always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can’t think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.
So it's fine to force an 11-year-old girl to undergo childbirth (after she's already survived the trauma of rape) as long as they give her lots of hugs and "You go girls."
The irony here is that Rick Santorm and his wife almost considered having a late-term abortion. I think her health was in danger. She ended up losing the fetus before they had the abortion. It is funny because instead of making him more senstive toward women who may have to make the decision to have an abortion it made him less so. I don't understand his thinking. He is actively working to make it even harder for women to have abortion even with health exemptions . If his wife's pregency had continued on she would have been seriously injured or even killed. Yet, he wants to make it harder for women, who are in the same situation as his wife, to get the abortion they need to save their lives.
The irony here is that Rick Santorm and his wife almost considered having a late-term abortion. I think her health was in danger. She ended up losing the fetus before they had the abortion. It is funny because instead of making him more senstive toward women who may have to make the decision to have an abortion it made him less so. I don't understand his thinking. He is actively working to make it even harder for women to have abortion even with health exemptions . If his wife's pregency had continued on she would have been seriously injured or even killed. Yet, he wants to make it harder for women, who are in the same situation as his wife, to get the abortion they need to save their lives.
Did you know what happen after that? They took their dead baby home to introduce it to their children. Plus they all gathered in the bed and hugged it crying. Man wtf people repubs showing their dead fetuses to their children? George Bush and now this douchebag.
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n 1996, the Santorums' son Gabriel was born prematurely and died two hours after birth. Karen wrote that she and Rick brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced him to their children as "your brother Gabriel", before a funeral and a burial.[1][163] The handling of their infant son's death attracted criticism in January 2012 following Santorum's success in the Iowa caucuses. However, mental health experts interviewed by ABC News said what the Santorums did was encouraged at the time, although no longer recommended.[164] Writers who had experienced a stillbirth defended the Santorums' actions, with columnist Charles Lane writing that he personally regretted not showing the body of his stillborn baby to his then-six year old son,[165] and Jessica Heslam, writing that holding her own stillborn baby brought her "much peace".[166] Four of the Santorum's children appeared with their parents on Piers Morgan Tonight in January 2012, and said they were all glad to have seen Gabriel because they were able to see him, and they hold a place in their hearts for their brother.
a Pizza Ranch restaurant in Newton, Iowa, a member of the audience asked Santorum to react to a controversial attack leveled by liberal Fox News contributor Alan Colmes, who called the Santorum family’s approach to grieving for their dead baby boy, who lived for only two hours after his birth in 1996, “crazy.”
In a Fox News interview on Monday, Colmes characterized Santorum’s decision to bring the deceased child home an example of “some of the crazy things he’s said and done.”
But in Iowa this afternoon, Santorum explained that it was important for his other children to “know they had a brother.”
Santorum’s wife, Karen, who was at the event and listened to her husband talk about the experience, began to weep.
“It’s just so inappropriate,” she said as tears streamed from her eyes.
Oh yeah think? Yeah because that's not really going to damage those kids at all.
See? These kids are going to grow up perfectly healthy and not mentally unstable at all.
I feel bad for his little girl who has Trisomy 18 Edwards syndrome. I hear that's terrible stuff to live with.
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I understand people not believing in abortion; I get that. I get that they think adult women who have consensual sex who have abortions are reprehensible. I get that that's what they think. I wish they'd merely practice what they preach instead of trying to legislate it for others, but I get what their views are.
But I just can't understand how someone could force a child to bear another child after she'd been sexually assaulted. How can a civil society force a woman to bear a child when the woman in no way consented to the sexual activity? Especially if the woman is NOT of legal age? Horrible. "Handmaid's Tale" horrible. Santorum should be ashamed of himself for wanting to do that to a child.
I think it's weird to bring a fetus home. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
I cannot stand Santorum... But everybody needs to chill about the fetus thing. The American Pregnancy Association thinks it normal.
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With the loss of your baby, your family members will also grieve. Your baby is someone's granddaughter, brother, cousin, nephew or sister. It is important for your family members to spend time with the baby. This will help them come to terms with their loss. If you have other children, it is very important to be honest with them about what has happened by using simple and honest explanations. It is your decision whether you would like the children to see the baby. Ask for a Child Life Specialist at the hospital; these are trained professionals who can help you prepare your children for the heartbreaking news, and prepare them to see the baby if you wish.
I know it plays into the "Man those right wing Xtians are nuts... But it is common and has little to do with religion and a lot to do with grieving a wanted child.
I'm sorry, I don't get this at all. If the children were aware of the pregnancy, how is showing them a dead and possibly deformed fetus helping them? What's wrong with explaining the situation with (gasp) words? If a forty year old man was mangled to death in a factory accident, would it be appropriate for the kids to see him, to help "come to terms with their loss"?
I cannot stand Santorum... But everybody needs to chill about the fetus thing. The American Pregnancy Association thinks it normal.
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With the loss of your baby, your family members will also grieve. Your baby is someone's granddaughter, brother, cousin, nephew or sister. It is important for your family members to spend time with the baby. This will help them come to terms with their loss. If you have other children, it is very important to be honest with them about what has happened by using simple and honest explanations. It is your decision whether you would like the children to see the baby. Ask for a Child Life Specialist at the hospital; these are trained professionals who can help you prepare your children for the heartbreaking news, and prepare them to see the baby if you wish.
I know it plays into the "Man those right wing Xtians are nuts... But it is common and has little to do with religion and a lot to do with grieving a wanted child.
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I'm sorry, I don't get this at all. If the children were aware of the pregnancy, how is showing them a dead and possibly deformed fetus helping them? What's wrong with explaining the situation with (gasp) words? If a forty year old man was mangled to death in a factory accident, would it be appropriate for the kids to see him, to help "come to terms with their loss"?
Thank you I was just about to bring that up, I mean its definitely one thing if a fetus/baby still looked like a baby/fetus. But if it's in a jar looking like they are going to show it in a science class room or into pieces. I just personally don't think that's at all healthy, I mean its one thing to pay your respects to a baby in a coffin which indeed that is just as hard. But I can't imagine showing my children their baby sister/brother in a jar.
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We go look at the body a many funerals. Why is this more twisted? People do it as part of the grieving process? Why the fuck should it matter to the rest of us? This isn't purity balls... It is people dealing with loss. When it comes to Santorum? There are a million real reasons to dump on the guy. But what if this was some non-religious family? Would we be attacking it as creepy? Would we be mocking them? I think this particular subject makes the critics look as bad as the man himself. We liberals are all about live and let live, but wen we hit a wall we do not understand? We jump right to the same attacks we find so offensive from the right.
Just because we do not understand it, does not make it creepy or wrong or whatever. I am not trying to be jerk here...but it seems to me that we should be better than Santorum. And part of that is not passing judgement on things we don't understand. That is what the supersticious and Republican party do.
We go look at the body a many funerals. Why is this more twisted? People do it as part of the grieving process? Why the fuck should it matter to the rest of us? This isn't purity balls... It is people dealing with loss. When it comes to Santorum? There are a million real reasons to dump on the guy. But what if this was some non-religious family? Would we be attacking it as creepy? Would we be mocking them? I think this particular subject makes the critics look as bad as the man himself. We liberals are all about live and let live, but wen we hit a wall we do not understand? We jump right to the same attacks we find so offensive from the right.
Just because we do not understand it, does not make it creepy or wrong or whatever. I am not trying to be jerk here...but it seems to me that we should be better than Santorum. And part of that is not passing judgement on things we don't understand. That is what the supersticious and Republican party do.
I'm not trying to past judgment, only that how the hell how can an adult really deal with that personally let alone show a child that? Plus its not really encouraged anymore for parents to do that. I mean it did at one time.
Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum has evoked squeamishness and ridicule for retelling the story of the death of his son, Gabriel, at 20 weeks gestation and the family's unconventional response -- taking the body home from the hospital and allowing their other children to cuddle the corpse and say goodbye.
The Internet lit up with comments this week after Santorum's meteoric rise to second-place in the Iowa caucuses, nearly tying him with presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Some described Santorum's story as "weird" or "horrifying."
Gabriel was the couple's eighth pregnancy and he survived only two hours. In her book, Karen Santorum wrote about bringing the body home to their other children.
''Elizabeth and Johnny held you with so much love and tenderness," she wrote. "Elizabeth proudly announced to everyone as she cuddled you, 'This is my baby brother, Gabriel; he is an angel.'''
But some mental health experts believe the Santorums may have been ahead of their time by ritualizing their son's death in order to exorcize their grief, though they say taking a body home is unusual and not recommended.
In the context of the times -- the year was 1996 when the family buried Gabriel -- their behavior was understandable, according to Dr. David Diamond, a psychologist and co-author of the 2005 book "Unsung Lullabies."
Helen Coons, a clinical psychologist and president of Women's Mental Health Associates in Philadelphia, said couples are not encouraged to bring a deceased fetus home.
"If a couple chooses to do a burial or memorial service for a third-trimester loss, funeral homes will assist in a caring manner," she said.
Radio host Alan Colmes criticized the conservative candidate, who is Catholic, for "playing" with a dead baby. In an interview, Fox News reporter Rick Lowry responded, "You are mocking him."
"I think it is showing a certain unusual attitude toward taking a two-hour baby home who died to play with his other children," said Colmes, who later called the Santorums and apologized, according to his Twitter feed.
Of the nearly 6 million pregnancies each year in the United States, about 15 percent end in miscarriage, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
In about half the cases, a cause cannot be determined. Among the conditions usually linked to miscarriage are a woman's age, chromosomal abnormalities, structural problems, infections, autoimmune disorders or a condition that causes the blood to clot in the placenta, known as thrombophilia.
Technically, because it occurred after the 20th week in the second trimester, the Santorums' loss was a pre-term delivery, which is less common than a first trimester miscarriage.
Medical experts regard it as a fetus, because it was born before the third trimester, when it is viable. But medical experts say the loss is still emotionally devastating.
Couples have different ways of coping, and grief experts say that rituals are often important in healing.
"There are some who choose to move very quickly from the loss and others who find holding a third-trimester baby in the hospital very helpful," said Coons. "Some find it helpful having a ritual on an annual basis, making a contribution or saying a prayer or planting a tree or flowers. Others have a need for private ways to remember the loss." "It was getting to be more in fashion," he said.
"The trend was, rather than ignoring, to help people with their grieving and make it a real loss rather than something stuck in their minds and imagination for years," he said. "Even before that, they allowed families to hold the dead infant or fetus and spend time with them -- as much as they wanted."
A corpse was not often taken home, but might be kept in the refrigerator for "a couple of days," so the family could have access, according to Diamond.
"It was kept in the hospital, but of course you can't do that for too many days," Diamond said. "But there were cases were they basically allowed the family to handle and be with baby and say goodbye."
I mean personally I could see how that maybe would help an adult process that loss. But telling children to go play with a fetus in a jar? I mean I don't particularly think that's helpful and or well who would honestly want to see their baby sister or brother that way? I mean I can certainly understand wanting to say goodbye. But saying things like that and pretending that they can go play with it. Well I just don't think that it is healthy, again these people suffered a great loss and maybe they themselves didn't know what exactly to say. I mean that is too understandable. Again that's just my opinion, not saying its the absolutely right one and not trying to pass judgement either. Plus this has nothing to do with them being religious. Just that well people don't really do that anymore so that's why some people find it odd. Plus the children ages should be taken into account if they truly understood the situation at hand. Yeah maybe that can be helpful, depending on the situation and the age of the children if they can even process that. I'm just looking at the over all view of it and if the children can process it maturely and not be disturbed by it. Having such a loss like that is already traumatic enough.
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But they did not play with it. They Held it. They were not playing catch with it. "Play" has pretty specific implications. Of course it seems creepy when we use the word play. It would be creepy if they were having tea parties with it. But holding the body? If that is playing with, you guys would think me family were freaks when my Grandma died. People hugged, kissed and talked to her body after she passed. Folks held her hands. This included kids. And by the definition being used here, my family "played with the body.". So, maybe we need to avoid terms that misrepresent what actually happened.
But they did not play with it. They Held it. They were not playing catch with it. "Play" has pretty specific implications. Of course it seems creepy when we use the word play. It would be creepy if they were having tea parties with it. But holding the body? If that is playing with, you guys would think me family were freaks when my Grandma died. People hugged, kissed and talked to her body after she passed. Folks held her hands. This included kids. And by the definition being used here, my family "played with the body.". So, maybe we need to avoid terms that misrepresent what actually happened.
Actually I didn't use those terms, the article did, and they also said sleeping with a body and well again I don't know too many people who do that either as well. Again the article could of misrepresent them. I did all those things at funerals I went to as well. So please don't try to make it sound I'm being heartless about people's grief. That wasn't was I trying to say, but people don't take bodies home with them anymore like they use to. That's not necessarily a judgement, just an observation that I kind of view as unusual because people don't do it that much anymore.
Plus we all maybe have different views of grieving again this was very popular in the late 1800's early 1900's, you could bring a body home and have the viewing there. But again there was health issues regarding that, and well maybe our views of death have changed too as well so maybe that's why people don't practice that anymore. I'm definitely not saying they don't have a right to grieve for their loss of their dead son. Not what I was saying at all or even suggesting so I don't appreciate the insinuations. I appreciate that I held the dead hand of my grandmother and step-father, but it made that much harder to realize they were gone and cold and all I was holding was an empty shell. I personally am not sure if that helped with my grief all that much more. I would rather remember them as they were. Again I'm talking for myself. I don't mean to bring up something so personal, but I was just using that as an example. But, I'm not saying its wrong to grieve I never said that.
By the way I would like to clarify myself about saying their kids would become unstable in the future. Again not sure if they will or not again I don't know them personally. Plus I don't mean the issue with the baby would make them that way necessarily. Maybe I should of said that earlier, because I think maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to say. But definitely I think being raised by parents who think sex is bad, even contraception is bad, and all things like that are considered "liberal" is bad and you are going straight to hell for it. I would think kids growing up in such a repressed way of life with views like that would hurt them in a lot of ways. Plus how do we really know how his kids felt personally about it? Maybe they will say yes to appease their father because he has an agenda and wants to win. Who knows if they would still the same way when they get older and become adults? I mean that's fine if they think doing that will help them. But again parents are still speaking for their children, and of course children will say what their parents want them to say. Especially if they are children of politicians, that goes for left or right. Again I don't know them personally, but I'm just looking at the overall image Rick projects. An image that says don't dare defy me because I'm the man of the house. Plus not to mention he only considered abortion for his wife, because she had some serious health issues that could of killed her. But won't think of the other women out there, plus I loved how he tried to use his wife's miscarriage to validate his pro-life agenda. Even though abortion and miscarriage have nothing to do with one another. I wish they could be truthful about those very distinct different issues that each woman goes through.
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I understand people not believing in abortion; I get that. I get that they think adult women who have consensual sex who have abortions are reprehensible. I get that that's what they think. I wish they'd merely practice what they preach instead of trying to legislate it for others, but I get what their views are.
But I just can't understand how someone could force a child to bear another child after she'd been sexually assaulted. How can a civil society force a woman to bear a child when the woman in no way consented to the sexual activity? Especially if the woman is NOT of legal age? Horrible. "Handmaid's Tale" horrible. Santorum should be ashamed of himself for wanting to do that to a child.
I think it's weird to bring a fetus home. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Agreed; it's not even healthy for a child to bear a child; and forcing someone who has already been forced is just evil.
But they did not play with it. They Held it. They were not playing catch with it. "Play" has pretty specific implications. Of course it seems creepy when we use the word play. It would be creepy if they were having tea parties with it. But holding the body? If that is playing with, you guys would think me family were freaks when my Grandma died. People hugged, kissed and talked to her body after she passed. Folks held her hands. This included kids. And by the definition being used here, my family "played with the body.". So, maybe we need to avoid terms that misrepresent what actually happened.
Actually I didn't use those terms, the article did, and they also said sleeping with a body and well again I don't know too many people who do that either as well. Again the article could of misrepresent them. I did all those things at funerals I went to as well. So please don't try to make it sound I'm being heartless about people's grief. That wasn't was I trying to say, but people don't take bodies home with them anymore like they use to. That's not necessarily a judgement, just an observation that I kind of view as unusual because people don't do it that much anymore.
Plus we all maybe have different views of grieving again this was very popular in the late 1800's early 1900's, you could bring a body home and have the viewing there. But again there was health issues regarding that, and well maybe our views of death have changed too as well so maybe that's why people don't practice that anymore. I'm definitely not saying they don't have a right to grieve for their loss of their dead son. Not what I was saying at all or even suggesting so I don't appreciate the insinuations. I appreciate that I held the dead hand of my grandmother and step-father, but it made that much harder to realize they were gone and cold and all I was holding was an empty shell. I personally am not sure if that helped with my grief all that much more. I would rather remember them as they were. Again I'm talking for myself. I don't mean to bring up something so personal, but I was just using that as an example. But, I'm not saying its wrong to grieve I never said that.
By the way I would like to clarify myself about saying their kids would become unstable in the future. Again not sure if they will or not again I don't know them personally. Plus I don't mean the issue with the baby would make them that way necessarily. Maybe I should of said that earlier, because I think maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to say. But definitely I think being raised by parents who think sex is bad, even contraception is bad, and all things like that are considered "liberal" is bad and you are going straight to hell for it. I would think kids growing up in such a repressed way of life with views like that would hurt them in a lot of ways. Plus how do we really know how his kids felt personally about it? Maybe they will say yes to appease their father because he has an agenda and wants to win. Who knows if they would still the same way when they get older and become adults? I mean that's fine if they think doing that will help them. But again parents are still speaking for their children, and of course children will say what their parents want them to say. Especially if they are children of politicians, that goes for left or right. Again I don't know them personally, but I'm just looking at the overall image Rick projects. An image that says don't dare defy me because I'm the man of the house. Plus not to mention he only considered abortion for his wife, because she had some serious health issues that could of killed her. But won't think of the other women out there, plus I loved how he tried to use his wife's miscarriage to validate his pro-life agenda. Even though abortion and miscarriage have nothing to do with one another. I wish they could be truthful about those very distinct different issues that each woman goes through.
Actually I have read that the children were encouraged to play with the dead baby; and it's indisputable that the body was kept overnight in the home. Sure, my mom, sisters and I all kissed my dad's forehead in the casket--but to take him home and set him up, maybe played a game of cards with him, would have been disrespectful to a great man who never suffered nonsense.
I am Menominee. This is a Indian tribe in Wisconsin. When I go to funerals on the reservation, it is not unusual for us to have the body in the house. We have food there, too. We eat in the same room as the corpse and to be honest it does not bother us. But we don't really take the body out of the coffin to prop up or hug. I am not going to judge the Santorum too much for how they handled their grief. I don't know if it helped or damaged their kids. I know the ways I grew up would be considered strange or weird.
What I will judge Rick Santorum for is his views on abortion. It is not right to force women or girls to have children they were forced to conceive. If a woman wants to have her rapist's child, that is her choice. If it will cause her more trauma then no. Forcing women to continue dangerous pregnencies that will either maim or kill then is not right either. To be honest, I don't know if I will ever need to have an abortion but I want to have the option.
As I mention, my parents didn't bring the body home when they lost their fourth child. Instead, they were quite frank about what happened and were open about answering any questions my brothers and I might have asked.
Bringing the body home was quite out of the question, at least at the time. When one talks about home viewings and such in the early 1900's, let's not forget that childbirth occurred at home, not in the confines of a hospital. A difference exists between viewing a body at home, where the death likely occurred, and taking a body home for a private viewing.
I'm actually confused; under what circumstances is it legal to have a dead body in your home? I have, thankfully, never had to deal with that issue at this point in my life, but I get the feeling that anyone who dies in the home would be whisked away to the hospital, then the morgue, then the coroner, then the funeral home. Can I request to have the body at my private home, for as long as I want? There must be some kind of legalities about this kind of thing. I wonder if the rules are different for stillborns/miscarriages? Do they get a death certificate if they haven't been carried to term? I'm kind of ignorant on the subject.
Didn't't you see Drag Me To Hell, Heidi? It is totally legal.
Usually the body goes through the morgue routine, and even to a funeral home for prep. But you can have a wake with the body on display usually without restriction afterwards. Depends on the state.
Icon fess, I am pretty hardcore about avoiding attacking people merely on things I do not understand. Why is it okay to judge Santorum because we think what he did was wierd and yet, if someone think trans individuals are wierd, we have no problem claiming it as bigotry? I think it is right that we object to that. I don't understand what friends who are trans are going through. As one who never has found his gender identity uncertain, how could I claim to understand? But I will fight to protect them. I will demand that they have the freedom to not live in fear of attack or being fired. Rick Santorum has so many negatives...this just feels like a false one...based on a feeling that what his family did was weird. Has it been pleasent for anyone here when people mocked them as wierd? I know I never cared for it. Santorum is a condescending asshole with bad policy ideas...can't that be enough to hit him with?
I hope no one takes offense at this, but Southern humorist Ray Stevens did a song about the Southern tradition of Sittin Up with the Dead; it actually offers some insight into the practice--only this time, it rather goes awry.
As I mention, my parents didn't bring the body home when they lost their fourth child. Instead, they were quite frank about what happened and were open about answering any questions my brothers and I might have asked.
And if Rick Santorum was calling your family wierd and slamming you for it? I would say stop being a dick, Rick. Grief is intensely personal and what worked for your family might not have been the route they needed. Personally? I would not bring the body home either.
And if Rick Santorum was calling your family wierd and slamming you for it? I would say stop being a dick, Rick. Grief is intensely personal and what worked for your family might not have been the route they needed. Personally? I would not bring the body home either.
I'm going to say this once again I just merely said that people don't do that anymore really. I never had a problems with wakes at the house or anything like that as I said it was quite common back than. I wasn't trying to be mean to the Santourms, and again I wasn't at all trying to insult the way they grieved. Of course that's a natural part of life dealing with something so tragic. People all have different ways of dealing with grief that maybe not all of us understand. But if you want to take what I said and turn it into something I didn't say fine. I just said it was a little odd for them sleeping with a dead body, and you know if they were people from the left I would still have the same thoughts. I never said that they didn't love their son any less or didn't have a right to grieve.
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In Puerto Rico a family set the corpse up on a motorcycle and took it for a final ride.
Actually since I'm half Pureto-Rican and when my dad's mother died they all took pictures around her and smiled. You know I wasn't use to that custom, but again people do things different culturally. As long there is respect to the body and other families member's feelings are respected than fine. I wasn't trying to attack anyone.
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I meant to comment...I apologize for making it sound as if you were. I just get concerned when this topic pops up that it is quickly used by the opposition to try and portray him as this freaky "Other"... And I don't think it is healthy for lefties to committ the very sin we find appalling from the right.
I meant to comment...I apologize for making it sound as if you were. I just get concerned when this topic pops up that it is quickly used by the opposition to try and portray him as this freaky "Other"... And I don't think it is healthy for lefties to committ the very sin we find appalling from the right.
Well I appreciate it, I didn't mean to seem that way at first and I should of explain more what I was trying to say with my comment in general and not geared to that specific event with the Santourms.
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I don't want anyone here to think I dislike them. I love this place. I know that is not a hip, cool thing to say to all the happenin' kids at PF...but I do love you guys!
I don't want anyone here to think I dislike them. I love this place. I know that is not a hip, cool thing to say to all the happenin' kids at PF...but I do love you guys!
I've got no problems with your comments. In fact, you make a good point. I imagine it could be a way to help with the grieving process for some families, even I can't fathom doing it myself.
However, I can't help but think of this as a staged political event, with Santorium using his family to further his pro-life stance.
Damn it, I did it again! Attacking Santorium is just an automatic response. I can't help myself!!
Is there a 12-step program out there to help me with this? :bigsmile:
So it's fine to force an 11-year-old girl to undergo childbirth (after she's already survived the trauma of rape) as long as they give her lots of hugs and "You go girls."
Bastard.