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Did Fangoria Just Say "Eat It" to Women in Horror Month?

This is not going to be a rant.

Because I am on the Board of Directors of Women in Horror Month, you aren't going to get an Angry Heidi rant on this. Our official response will come out later, printed in Fangoria's March issue, as we decided with Fangoria editor Chris Alexander earlier today.

What you will get, for now, is an explanation of the situation: Chris Alexander, editor of Fangoria Magazine, published an editor's letter in issue #310 (yes, the same issue in which horror director/friend of mine Karen Lam is featured!) detailing why he thinks Women in Horror Month is, pretty much, a load of horseshit. Instead of translating, I'll post his letter here (click to en-biggen):

I will say this for Fango: they do cover a lot of women. I will say this for Women in Horror Month: "Eat It" is not a nice thing to say, and we have now made it a requirement for people to have their events approved before they can say they're part of "Women in Horror Month."

What I want to know, right now, is what do YOU think? Is Women in Horror Month is awesome, or does it make you want to rip your eyeballs out? And why? Come on. We can take it. I'll actually surprise you with how reasonable I am on this one.


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I get where he's coming from, but I think it's a pretty naive, selfish position to be in. Politicised? Show me where women spend February picketing male-dominated horror movies and being disruptive on the sets, show me where, at any point, it takes anything away from anybody. The last thing he wants to do is lump people together based on what's in their trousers? That's how the entire industry is, though. The numbers don't lie.

Uninformed and sadly dismissive in the way that's worded. Disappointed, Fangoria -- even if they didn't intend to be openly supportive, it would have been nice to skip out on the derisive sneering.

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I direct the Horrible Imaginings Film Festival in San Diego and, yes, I am putting on a Women in Horror Month event. I think I understand what Chris Alexander is trying to say, but I think there is a basic misunderstanding in his thesis here.

I get what Chris is saying about the celebration of women happening year round. However, having a Women in Horror Month does NOT mean they are ignored the rest of the year. I have directed five film events since moving to San Diego two years ago. At every one of my events, I have featured the cinematic work of female directors somewhere in the program. That is not going to stop me from focusing on this ignored group of filmmakers for a Women in Horror Month event. The reality is that featuring even 60% female directors at a normal horror film festival does little to curb the idea that female horror directors don't exist. That is why I feel it is necessary to have a time like WiHM to focus on that problem as the main thesis. The strength that is derived from something like WiHM has to do with the unity of an underrepresented group.

Also, it sure as Hell does not trivialize the individual. People have individual talents, but they can also feel the unique experiences and challenges that unite them with a group. There is nothing wrong with celebrating being a part of that group. Again, WiHM is NOT about relegating experiences and challenges to 28 days, but rather to ensure there is a time when women can proclaim in unity that they exists as filmmakers in the horror genre.

Yes, Fangoria does cover women in the genre, and they should be commended for that. The problem remains, however, that female creators are still grossly ignored in both independent and more mainstream venues. The purpose of something like Women in Horror Recognition Month is to serve as a wake up call to people that women are out there making horror movies--not just acting in them. Fangoria, I love you, but your features (which are mostly on actresses, anyway) just aren't making that well known enough. I don't think that's the fault of your magazine, but rather a systemic cultural problem that requires a movement (like WiHM) to change.

For anyone interested, my WiHM event will take place on two days and is completely free. You can get more information at www.hifilmfest.com

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I also understand Alexander's opinion on Women In Horror month because I think it *can* come off as a tad demeaning, a sort of "let's spend ONE month talking about how great chicks in horror are!" Now I don't think that's its intent, and festivals designed to highlight female directors are definitely one of the answers to dispelling that idea. But I do think that the fact that any time a woman makes or even writes about horror, her gender has to be mentioned is still frustrating, and WIHM doesn't necessarily help that. But on the other hand, it DOES if it brings awareness to artists who aren't otherwise on the radar. I'm TORN!

The main problem I have with the editorial is how dismissive it is on more than one level. The whole "Fangoria has a female in its upper office!" feels like a racist claiming innocence because he has a black friend, and while I love Debbie Rochon, the fact that she has a monthly column writing about movies where she more often than not takes her clothes off doesn't make Fangoria The Feminine Mystique.

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It's unfortunate Alexander let a condescending tone ("Is Hallmark behind this?") and his final summation on the matter ("Eat it!") mar an editorial with some interesting points. Had Alexander written the same ideas in a more professional tone, it could have been the start of an interesting discussion. As it stand, it reads more like the rantings of an internet troll, without the profanity, and is very unprofessional.

But another blow to Alexander's credibility on the subject occurs in the current issue of Fangoria. He cites his "wonderful chat with Barbara Crampton" further in the issue as proof the magazine celebrates women in horror year round. Yet the opening pages of his interview features two photos of the actress naked in From Beyond and Re-Animator. And though the next two pages have photos of the actress fully clothed, we see her wearing the S&M outfit in From Beyond. While any interview with Crampton should mention her work in Stuart Gordon's classic Lovecraft adaptations, the inclusion of photos with the actress naked and molested by monsters seems more a celebration of Boobs in Horror than an interview with a horror actress.

But Fangoria's schizophrenic treatment of women in horror isn't limited to the current issue. While Issue 305 contains an interesting article on women writers and directors during the silent era of film, it also features a photo of the space maggot rape scene (complete with the bare chested actress) from Galaxy of Terror. One could argue the photo is appropriate for an article about the film, but using it for an interview with Barry Schrader, the film's composer, seems gratuitous. And the photo's tagline about this being "...the most unusual, er, 'love' scene a composer has ever had to score," is quite tasteless. And a full length article on Galaxy of Terror in a previous issue (Number 274, while Anthony Timpane was Editor) did not include such titillating photos. The only shot of the space maggot was a behind the scenes glimpse as a crew member was working on the beast.

I'm not saying Alexander hasn't done some fine work while editor of Fangoria. But the magazine's willingness to use gratuitous nude photos of actresses calls into question just how it celebrates women in horror every issue. I hate to say it, but Alexander sounds like a horror fan claiming he respects women and leading a critical discussion of Shelley's Frankenstein, all while sitting in a strip club.

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Women in Horror month is a wonderful thing. It creates recognition and exposure. There are plenty of niche festivals and events and I see WIH month as no different. These festivals and events are created as a means to support- not to supplant. If Fangoria chooses not to include WIH month in their magazine that is their choice and I understand it. However, choosing to write what they did as a response makes me understand just how necessary Women in Horror recognition month is. It's like telling the Mona foundation, who has programs in technological and science education for girls, to f- off because there are already schools. They are there to bridge a disparity. I think that Women in Horror month is also there for the same reason. The only thing negative that I've see from it was that letter.

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Amazingly enough I caught a fair bit of flack last year for a comment I made in regards to an article at Fangoria.com that decried the abuse that women take in horror movies. The film in question was the remake of "I Spit On Your Grave" & was written by a young lady named Lianne Spiderbaby. I commented that she seemed to be destined to a life as a spinster if she maintained the attitude she wrote about. Harsh words? yes they were & I apologized for them. Chris came to her immediate defense & pointed out that she was far from being anything akin to a spinster. Her response was to call me ugly after looking at my FB photo. Class act.
Anyways...my point is that Chris came to the defense of a woman who he deemed as being scorned. So he must have a soft spot for the ladies in horror somewhere inside. And yes, why shouldn't there be a "Women In Horror" month? I'm all for it & I suspect the majority of people who respond to this will agree. Women have just as much to say about the genre as anyone else does. Women can write, direct & act just as well as any man can. Women rule!
You girls just keep on making horror movies. Keep writing, directing, acting & producing them. Keep fighting the good fight...fuck the naysayers, If there can be a fucking national "Eat A Donut" day there can be a Women in horror month.
As to Alexander...cut him some slack. I don't think he meant to light this firecracker...shit happens.
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Amazingly enough I caught a fair bit of flack last year for a comment I made in regards to an article at Fangoria.com that decried the abuse that women take in horror movies. The film in question was the remake of "I Spit On Your Grave" & was written by a young lady named Lianne Spiderbaby. I commented that she seemed to be destined to a life as a spinster if she maintained the attitude she wrote about. Harsh words?

No, actually. As a proud leader of the Playgirl Posse and member of an ultracool group called the Leather Spinsters (a group of straight, self sufficient career women who love men to pieces but don't feel we need them to complete us), I would be honored to be called a spinster--an honor I would share with Jane Austen, Greta Garbo, her royal highness Queen Elizabeth I and perhaps even Lianne Spiderbaby. If being destined to life as a spinster means sitting and reading the novel of mine that was just released, dating a European male model and writing stories on behalf of nonprofit organizations and in some quite racy women's sex magazines, then (sigh) I guess that--just like poor Ms. Spiderbaby--I must accept the spinsterish life to which I was destined.

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Oh, I just Googled Ms. Spiderbaby and she's a stunning woman who holds a degree in Cinema Studies and has worked with Herschell Gordon Lewis; also soon set to appear in her first film in addition to writing for Fangoria. You go, Sister 'Spinster!':)

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I love that these responses are all so intelligent and reasoned.

One more sign I'm getting old...

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One more sign I'm getting old...

One more sign I'm getting old? I now start each morning with The Today Show. Hey, Ann Curry is hot!

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A similar discussion came up on my Cinema Junkie blog in regards to film festivals that focus on Black, Asian, Latino, Jewish, Italian films. Someone complained that such festivals are unnecessary and a form of segregation and exclusion. I think that festivals like these and something like Women in Horror month are a way of focusing attention on groups that are under-represented in mainstream Hollywood. All of these celebrate a particular focus and help bring that to a wider audience. Fangoria may highlight women in horror and feel that Women in Horror month is unnecessary but they are a horror magazine, it's their job to cover women in horror on a regular basis. Women in horror, however, are under represented in Hollywood and the mainstream media. I think Women in Horror is a celebration of a particular kind of horror film -- ones made by or about women. It's just like celebrating Film Noir or Asian Extreme. As for Chris Alexander's letter -- well it's funny how it takes the same tone and line of reasoning as people who profess not to be prejudiced -- I love women, some of my best friends are women, heck I even married one. I'm glad to see a WOmen in Horror month if it only means that for a few brief weeks talented female filmmakers and horror films featuring women get a little extra ink.

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Superheidi wrote:

I love that these responses are all so intelligent and reasoned.

One more sign I'm getting old...

Oh crap! That means I should be six feet under!!!

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Okay first of all, Heidi, I'm impressed, haha. Go you not going on a bitch rant! Happy

As for Chris Alexander, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with him. Lianne Spiderbaby is a close friend of mine and a pivotal woman in horror, Chris has always been incredibly supportive of her and when she published her review on I Spit on Your Grave and took a lot of shit for it, he was behind her.

This column though, it certainly doesn't make him sound very supportive! I would have thought that Fango would be behind events that were promoting horror films. Women in Horror Month may be in February but so many festivals have events throughout the year. As host of the Jennifer's Bodies festival in Scotland, last year was my first event and I loved it. So much so that I am not only hosting it again this February, I am in talks with an arts cinema to host events throughout the year.

It's weird because usually I'd go on a massive rant about something like this, but on this occasion I'm more just disappointed. :/

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Yes, I get Chris Alexander's point, as well. What he's saying is that he doesn't care to do anything more than celebrate the women in horror just as he usually does -- as beautiful beings first, and then as those girls who, it just so happens, can also hold a camera and make up stories and stuff.

Hey, I'm not gonna deny the birds and bees here. Yeah, Final Girls are hunnies. No duh! But, you know what -- I hear tell that some men are easy on the eyes, too. Just ask the ladies. So, why aren't the horror grinder-guys getting hottie treatment in the pages of Fango? Why aren't we hearing about Stephen King's soulful eyes, or the way Ti West can fill out a pair of jeans? Cripes! All we hear
about is how they change the face of horror and boring crap like that. Why is that? Maybe because most major publications are run by men.

And, so now you might get a hint of what Women in Horror Month is
really about.

The point is, women get the short shrift in the horror biz (and in
Hollyweird and every other entertainment business -- again, no duh!).
So, Women in Horror Month is an event to which we can take a few days
out of the year to NOT explore their physical dimensions (we do that all year!), but to recognize their WORK, their artistry, their spirit... their voice. One month, for cryin' out loud -- ONE issue Fango!

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I'll respond very briefly to this as I have been debating this editorial for a few days now.

If you read FANGO under my watch, you would not have needed to write what you just wrote, Bad Ronald ( my third fave telefilm of the 1970s BTW).

Women interviewed in FANGORIA are treated with respect, admiration of their unique legacies, whether in front of or behind the lens. All year. every issue. From Sue's monthly column to star profiles to the writers that contribute material....to me, always it's about finding the soul and the humanity of the subject. Always.

I stand by every word in that semi- satirical editorial.

The only thing I have any remorse about is perhaps - if I did -hurting the personal feelings of the lady behind the organization. I may not buy her brand of kool aid but to disrespect the passion and personal vision behind her work....never my intent to hurt the individual. I'm all about the individual....but that said, doesn't film criticism for example, attack the whole product, even if it it turn, hurts the individual? Isnt anytime you make a public move subject for scrutiny and debate?

And on a further tip, as per BAD RONALD...if WIHM is exclusively about pushing aside recognition of women for their physical presences....why is the poster girl for the WIHM site a very sexualized Chainsaw Sally licking blood of herself? Women who choose death obsessed art as their medIum of choice to communicate, come with many messages, walks of life and points of view....grouping them for 28 days strikes me as trivializing a much larger canvas. I'd say the same if it was gay men in horror, black women in horror, or any other walk of life that wants to be taken more seriously than they are being taken in the arts.

My ultimate point is simple: giving voice to women is something that must happen at all times. So is giving voice to anyone male or female with a strong, interesting point of view. lose the "M"...don't sanction your events with a trendy symbol. Don't put parameters on a subject that has none.

I'm reminded of the SEINFELD episode where Kramer does the AIDS walk and is accosted for "not wearing the ribbon"....

Yikes...so much for brevity!

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You are right on one note Chris -- I have not read much Fango lately. I cannot attest to how you, personally, treat women throughout your time at the magazine. I can say, with honesty, that the reason I no longer seek out Fangoria is that I found the coverage had gotten very trivial. Generally, for me, it's been guts, girls and gore, and not nearly enough critical thinking to keep me coming back for more. Sure, that could be because I'm gettin' to be a little older, and I like a little more meat on the bone.

With age, I also got to recognizing when there is an injustice in the world, and within my chosen field of work. The fact that women in film have to take a back seat to men is a matter that needs to go away. Yes, we talk about it everyday. But where has that gotten us? Not very far. How about everyone else in the genre world? We can talk amongst ourselves all we want, but there needs to be something more. This is the point of having a Women in Horror Month. To get their message, and our opinions, out into the mainstream. If you make a banner big enough, and raise it high enough -- someone is gonna see it. That's the point of it all.

The women want to get our attention, and then promote the simple thought that there are women in the field who are making a difference -- a huge difference, in many instances. If the movement were to simply raise that banner and then do nothing to forward their message -- then yeah, that would be trivializing, or "ghettoizing" the idea of Women in Horror Month. Wouldn't a simple -- "hey, let's hear it for this movement!" have solidified your stance a whole lot better than "Eat it!"?

Though I don't read your mag anymore, I know that it is still a far-reaching publication, with a lot of young readers. Wouldn't it be a benefit to take another extra moment to discuss the issues of women in horror, and in the film/television world?

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Wow, this is some great discourse we're having! No one has called anyone a douche...yet. My problem with this issue is: I can see every party's point of view.

I read Fangoria fairly regularly, and Chris is right — it does cover women. Sure, it has the occasional provocative pics, but I think that can be filed under the heading "Facing the Realities of the Marketplace." I'm sure Fango 's audience skews heavily toward males. But I also know women, who are absolutely underserved in this marketplace, do read it. Perhaps more women would pick it up if Fango ran the occasional "Horror Hunk"-ish feature, which could also lead to more and different advertisers. That's more income from two different sources. Maybe it's time for a consulting company evaluation.

Also, I think Chris made some good points in his editorial — which, remember, is a personal point of view that might not match yours and that's cool, right? — though he likely shot himself in the foot with his irreverent "eat it" closing remark. But, again, I sense the marketplace in that as well. An editor often paints with a wide brush to make a point knowing that, hey, provocation provokes interest, and interest increases sales. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Yes, all of us in the "horror community" know women can actually create horror. But, believe it or not, not everyone does. I don't think it hurts to spend a few weeks giving slightly increased attention to an under-sung group of artists who do good work. It works to the benefit of everyone: fans, filmmakers and, yes, even the marketplace. Again, there's nothing wrong with that.

But, Nic Cage Month? There might be something wrong with that.

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.if WIHM is exclusively about pushing aside recognition of women for their physical presences....why is the poster girl for the WIHM site a very sexualized Chainsaw Sally licking blood of herself?

I have to agree with you on this Chris. I do not like that poster.

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provocation provokes interest, and interest increases sales.

WHAT? *blank stare*

I would never ever resort to some kind of provocative headline or exploit some kind of issue to get hits, say, on my website. I just want everyone to know that.

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Chris,

Can we just make one thing really clear? You didn't come close to hurting my feelings. I don't get why you would even think you had to power to hurt my feelings? Sure, I'm female but I can take some criticism. I'd like to think over the years I have become rather confident in who I am, my art, my thoughts, and my passions.

Remember, all the feedback your readers have been expressing have nothing to do with me/how I feel. All those debates are coming from your readers about how *they* feel about what *you* wrote. I am not in that equation.

What you did do is bring a lot of attention to Women in Horror Month right before February and help get people fired up and remember why this work we are doing is so important. Nothing about that comes close to hurting my feelings.

Happy Women in Horror Month!

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Hannah -

Actually, none of the debate or dissent stems from FANGORIA readers. They understand my point of view and understand how much a presence women of every creative strain are to the magazine. Interesting personalities, performers and filmmakers of both genders represented equally all year, all the time.

I'm glad you did not take any of my criticism personally. As stated, it was never my intent.

But regardless, as I said to you privately, I am happy to run a statement/letter/response from you in the next issue about, well, how you feel I was off base or wrong about WIHM.

Seeing as many of your associates and supporters write for and are featured in the mag (including the editor of this very site, Karen Lam in the very issue this editorial was taken from, The Soska's in the next issue), it might be a good thing for both of us and the readers to see an addendum cemented in print.

If you change your mind, we still have some time before we close the issue....

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I have a lot of thoughts on this matter, which I'm saving for a later date; but just briefly, why is there anything so wrong about a positive celebration of, well, anyone or anything? Could you imagine a devoted Christian saying, "I think we should cancel Christmas, because the birth of Jesus should be celebrated every day of the year!" Could you imagine a civil rights leader saying, "Down with Black History Month! The accomplishments of African Americans should be celebrated every day!' Well of course they should; but what's wrong with taking some special time to acknowledge and applaud those who have made a difference in our industry?

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Well, I gotta say the editor's letter stirred up enough for me to check up on the WIHM website, which is a big deal--I tend to not follow up on anything when I'm online. But all your comments have me intrigued.

For real, all I want is a t-shirt.

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Superheidi wrote:

I love that these responses are all so intelligent and reasoned.

One more sign I'm getting old...

This struck me as well. I'm impressed at how civil some of your readers are, especially given the outrageously dismissive tone of Alexander's provocative editorial (which by the way, perfectly illustrates why we NEED a WOMEN IN HORROR MONTH!)

But more on that later......

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Superheidi wrote:

I love that these responses are all so intelligent and reasoned.

One more sign I'm getting old...

This struck me as well. I'm impressed at how civil some of your readers are, especially given the outrageously dismissive tone of Alexander's provocative editorial (which by the way, perfectly illustrates why we NEED a WOMEN IN HORROR MONTH!)

But more on that later......

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As February draws to a close, so does Women In Horror Month.

But here on the Rue Morgue Podcast we’re raging against the dying of the light with a blistering interrogation with Ms. Heidi Honeycutt (the artist formerly known as Heidi Martinuzzi), one of the masterminds of the Viscera Film Festival and the creator of PLANETETHERIA.COM and PLANETFURY.COM (the website formerly known as FANGIRLTASTIC.COM).

http://rue-morgue.com/2012/02/rue-morgue-podcast-heidi-honeycutt/

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Oh, I just Googled Ms. Spiderbaby and she's a stunning woman who holds a degree in Cinema Studies and has worked with Herschell Gordon Lewis; also soon set to appear in her first film in addition to writing for Fangoria. You go, Sister 'Spinster!':)

I heard shes Tarantino's girlfriend to

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I heard shes Tarantino's girlfriend to

I'm pretty sure she would have told me that if that were true.

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Superheidi][quote=sinjin6 wrote:

I'm pretty sure she would have told me that if that were true.

saw her at a movie with him in february
looked like it

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Yeah she might have met him, she just wrote a grindhouse book. But I kind of feel like saying they're "going out" is a stretch at this point if you just saw them at the same place together. If she did nail him, good for her. I hope he drops shitloads of money on her before she dumps him for someone that doesn't make her ill to touch physically.

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