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Does Martin (you know the movie) rape his victims or not?

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Tue, 01/10/2006 - 05:49

Private J.V. Vasquez

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In the movie Martin by the wonderful George A. Romero. My friend and I had a debate about the subject matter of Martin raping his victims as we watched it this weekend. She debates that he does rape his victims. I say that he might not because they don't show actual penetration. But you don't have to penetrate someone to rape them, but in the movie he says " I've never done it I've always been to shy." Which I assume that he has never had sex. Than he says "Been to shy to do it with an awake person without the blood..." Which my friend thinks that he is saying he does rape his victims but he has never been with an awake person. Which I don't know because Martin comes off like he really wouldn't know what to do. I think it is suggesting rape, but at the sametime not exactly. I don't know what do you guys think?

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Tue, 01/10/2006 - 09:07

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I haven't seen the movie recently enough to remember, but for what it's worth there are reviews of the movie that say he does and those that say he doesn't, so at least you're not alone in this difference of opinion.

Tue, 01/10/2006 - 09:34

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My interpretation is that he does have sex with his victims.

Thu, 08/26/2010 - 17:51

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I am bumping this old thread because I want debate on this matter some more lol

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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:51

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I've never seen this one. I have seen Habit though and I like it a lot. There's no raping going on in it though, sorry.

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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:53

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It's really one of Romero's good ones. I enjoyed it. It's very restrained and is a rather unique film.

It's been years though - I *think* my take was that he didn't physically rape them.

Maybe I should rewatch. It's been awhile.

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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 14:57

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I've heard nothing but good things about it and I love the more ambiguous type of movies. It's just one I mean to watch but never get around to.

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Fri, 08/27/2010 - 23:16

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Tristan Sinns wrote:

It's really one of Romero's good ones. I enjoyed it. It's very restrained and is a rather unique film.

It's been years though - I *think* my take was that he didn't physically rape them.

Maybe I should rewatch. It's been awhile.

Same here - I haven't seen it in ages, but I don't remember physical rape being implied though now that you've brought it up I should probably watch it again and see if I missed anything.

Sat, 08/28/2010 - 02:56

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Hell yeah it's rape ,just a very visually and sexy in a pervy vampire way rape but it's no brainer. Most vampires rape theire victems even though they might jusr resort to a glamour or simple form of magnetism or mesmerism to do so but the desiree has very little or no will in the matter.

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Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:48

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You know this is terrible, John Amplas who is starting to do conventions now was at Texas Frightmare this year and I couldn't go because lack of funds. But I really loved him in this movie and thought he was totally hot and I would of so go up to him and embarrass the shit out of him and said "I know you might of played a pseudo-vampire rapist who killed people, but I thought you were totally hot in that movie." lmao I did a similar thing to Tony Moron who played Micheal in Halloween unmasked. "I said as a little girl when I saw Micheal I fault really bad because he was this horrible killer, but he was really cute." He just looked at me kind of peculiar and than kind of laughed. This the dude who worked with him was liked "Well if you thought he was so nice-looking you can buy a picture with his face!"

I'll go up to actors and tell them this I don't care lmao just to see their reactions. God I hope John Amplas comes back again he was so awesome in that movie.

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Sun, 08/29/2010 - 14:59

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I never thought it was a physical penetration rape. I think some of the underlying issues Martin had was his inability to get it up and keep it up around a woman, even if she was unconscious.

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Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:36

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it's been awhile since i saw the film but from what i remember it was even ambiguous as to whether or not he was actually a vampire. the uncle (the old man/relative who boards Martin...i think it was his uncle) is convinced martin's a vamp, but he doesn't ever produce any evidence to his daughter that martin is, in fact, as old as he claims. then when martin dies, it's in a manner that a normal human being would die anyway. whether he rapes the women in the film or not...that's also open for interpretation. like so many of romero's films, there are social implications and if you can tap into the meaning behind martin, then we might be able to have a path by which to read it (but i think romero is leaving it ambiguous intentionally).

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Thu, 09/09/2010 - 13:58

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I know that Martin being a vampire is ambiguous which I love so I guess the rape could be ambiguous too.

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Thu, 09/09/2010 - 13:05

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def., i think it's meant to be left open. i'll def. wind up paying closer attention to it now when i watch it to see if there are hints. i'm thinking the ambiguity of the rape might be tied into the ambiguity of him being a vampire...

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Fri, 09/10/2010 - 21:49

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Damn, just read this and now I have to get the movie on my Netflix queue. Or just break down and buy it. It's Romero's best non-zombie flick and I really should have a copy in my collection.

I don't remember thinking Martin raped his victims in a human sense. But he did rape them as a vampire would, with virgin flesh pierced by fangs/a razor blade. Being in bed with his victims was simply foreplay, the same way Lugosi or Lee's stares made their victims bare their necks in "anticipation." Penetration, and the spurt of blood, was the rape in this instance. That was the exertion of power he craved, imagining his victims under his thrall, excited by the inevitable piercing of their flesh.

But it's been years since I've seen the film. That's just the impression I remember having of those scenes.

Well, I guess it's time to be off to eBay or Netflix to see if I was right, or just full of it.

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