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Saskatoon, Canada won't screen 'Dead Hooker in a Trunk' because of all the Dead Hookers

Okay, that's a crass headline. There may have been a more tactful way to say that.

In Saskatoon, Sascatchewan, Cananda, there's a theater called The Roxy that was supposed to play a violent action/horror movie called Dead Hooker in a Trunk as part of the Dark Bridges Film Festival, which may be the only thing to do in Saskatoon, aside from getting killed. Or snowed in. Or hit by a fucking moose.

But The Roxy Theater will not be playing Dead Hooker in a Trunk because a local woman called the theater complaining that the screening of such a film was a travesty and should not take place, because of all the dead hookers they have missing in Vancouver. And it isn't just Vancouver that has a missing women problem.

This unnamed woman was referring to a series of grisly murders stemming from the 1990's onward that targeted Native American prostitutes in Saskatoon, Vancouver, and parts of Manitoba. You see, Saskatoon is a city, but not like Big City like folks from London or New York City may think of it. It's a Canadian city with a bone to pick with the local law enforcement who have been accused of not paying attention to the deaths of murdered aboriginal women, simply because they were natives and prostitutes.

An article appearing in the Canadian newspaper The Edmonton Journal on November 26th, 2003 with Saskatchewan journalist Warren Goulding stated that law enforcement still does not care about solving the upwards of 15 missing peoples cases, at least 3 of whom were found to have been murdered by serial killer John Crawford (now serving 3 life sentences).

But the murders don't stop there. Tara-Lyn Poorman, age 17, went missing in Saskatchewan on December 12, 2008. She has not been seen since.

The filmmakers of Dead Hooker in a Trunk, Jen and Sylvia Soska, were disappointed that their film (which has nothing to do with missing aboriginal women) was pulled. But they're angry that someone pulled and vandalized all their posters from Saskatoon walls.

They wrote on their blog:

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But what has happened now disgusts me. Someone took it upon themselves to rip down the festival posters from the main drag in town... I am shocked and saddened that someone in this day and age could be so closed minded about the mere title of a film. Without attempting to research the film in the slightest, they rushed to judgment and condemned something that in fact should be something that Canadians should be very proud of

The Soskas then went on to write a public open letter to the Roxy Theater on Facebook, expressing their feelings:

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The title character, despite what knee-jerk reaction the title stirs, is treated with reverence throughout the film by the group of twenty somethings as they struggle to give her a proper end. A level of respect that we don't often see given to these women in this particular trade.

Oh, sweet sweet irony! I don't know what hurts more - the irony or the murdering of hookers.

Sometimes censorship gets mixed up with real life horrific acts, and the two aren't supposed to meet. Sometimes a news story is just a news story. One thing is clear: the Roxy Theater has sided with the local anonymous caller and the poster-pullers without even watching the film.

Local Saskatoon journalists MUST need something to write about. Maybe this is one of those non-hooker-dead stories they could promote?

And most importantly, not playing Dead Hooker in a Trunk won't bring Tara-Lyn back.

Ok, that was crass again. I'm sorry. But I wonder what Tara-Lyn would say if she knew two young women directors were not allowed to screen their film in her town. Would Tara-Lyn want to see it, if she were still here? Would she be supportive of other young women with something to say going unheard?


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I'll step in here and say I'm not at all surprised that some people here might be outraged. While I don't condone the destruction of the posters and such, I'm actually surprised there wasn't much more of a public outrage about it.

Actually, no, I'm not. As I think you already know Heidi I'm working on a pet project of mine right now about missing aboriginal women and how little is actually being done to find them here. If you're an aboriginal woman in the sex trade you're even worse off. Our cities in Saskatchewan and Manitoba areas are not very big at all so one would think that missing women would make more news. However, they don't. I can tell you on any given day my head is swimming with sad, horrible statistics about how many girls and women are unaccounted for right now because no one wants to go looking for "Hookers and Runaways". And it's not just aboriginal women, with recent discoveries of high profile cases lately involving guys picking up hookers to kill and getting away with it for years because little is being done it's obvious that we have a real problem not many want to talk about.

I understand what's said about the title not reflecting the reverence of the profession but at the same time I hope you can understand how hearing such a thing would appear to trivialize the issue. "Dead hooker in a trunk" is ringing home with friends and families right now who have recently had to come to terms with the idea that Robert Pickton may have fed the bodies of their loved ones to his pigs. Perhaps it's not fair to judge the movie by its title but at the same time it might be worth trying to understand the social tensions going on right now by those being affected by "dead hookers". People are having a hard enough time getting our own society to take this issue seriously and recognize that these missing women are more than just "dead hookers" without a film that, while I respect might be coming off as misunderstood by "knee jerk reactions", is still going to use a crass sort of bleak humour in it's title to draw attention to itself.

So I would simply like to defend our side of the matter by saying it's "Not because of all the dead hookers" it's because we're engaged in a struggle right now to get enough people to recognize the problem and actually deal with it in a manner beyond thinking of these women as "dead hookers in a trunk."

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MinervaLi wrote:

I understand what's said about the title not reflecting the reverence of the profession but at the same time I hope you can understand how hearing such a thing would appear to trivialize the issue. "Dead hooker in a trunk" is ringing home with friends and families right now who have recently had to come to terms with the idea that Robert Pickton may have fed the bodies of their loved ones to his pigs. Perhaps it's not fair to judge the movie by its title but at the same time it might be worth trying to understand the social tensions going on right now by those being affected by "dead hookers". People are having a hard enough time getting our own society to take this issue seriously and recognize that these missing women are more than just "dead hookers" without a film that, while I respect might be coming off as misunderstood by "knee jerk reactions", is still going to use a crass sort of bleak humour in it's title to draw attention to itself.

I think this should be a consideration...lets not forget that we expect some outrage at white actresses getting roles we feel clearly not written for a white character. Or changing the location of a movie from Tokyo to Manhattan. If those things require people to take a step back, I think this ought to as well.

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I do understand the caller's reaction to the film's title, based on the tensions in the community; but I think she should have researched the film and the directors before making the call.

I lost a member of my family--a beautiful, intelligent woman and a mother of two--to a senseless act of violence when I was a little girl. She was a mom, a career woman and a political activist; but now when most people hear her name, they think of her as a stalking and murder victim.

Through the years, when I've seen films that seem to trivialize violence against women, I've been sorely tempted to make some phone calls and tear down some posters myself; but I know that, in the amount of time that it takes to do that, I could be writing a news story to help raise funds for a domestic violence agency, do an informative research report, like Minerva is doing (your work sounds wonderful, Minerva), or volunteering as a mentor or counselor at a rape crisis center.

I do think it's important to discuss the impact of films and the media can have on these situations; in this case, for example, they could have invited the Soska sisters to the theater to discuss their film and their intent in making it; and maybe they could have agreed to donate part of their box office proceeds to organized efforts to help find these missing girls, and to bring their abductors to justice.

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Minerva- Thank you for commenting on this and adding this valuable insight. I had no idea that this problem existed and I will now be paying closer to attention to what these implications actually mean. It's so easy to immediately start crying foul when something you love and want others to love is treated poorly. But now, after looking at this other side, I don't know what to think.

I get artistic freedom and how important it is to not censor other people's art forms--but I think a lot of the Dead Hooker fans are turning a blind side to the other part of the issue--and that I believe is wrong.

The fact is, the problem with this whole situation is that people aren't aware of the total story before they jump to conclusion. This is the problem on BOTH SIDES which is something I think many are failing to see.

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Megan - I appreciate where you're coming from on the note that they should have researched it first and I agree, but at the same time that only educates the one person. From the advertising I've seen locally and also what I've heard running through people's lips about it, it doesn't seem like people in general are doing the research into it. It's still going to be taken at face value by the community just like this woman did and that's the impact. Does that excuse everyone in this matter? No. And you're right, maybe getting the Soska's involved could have made a great impact and turned this into a good thing for everyone, but honestly we live in a day an age where many films and forms of media that come out trivialize and mock serious issues - they want to be sensationalist and offensive enough to make people come watch it because they know they're going to be controversial. So I can understand why some people wouldn't be able to take a film called "Dead Hooker in a Trunk" for anything else. Things could have been handled differently from all sides I think, but they weren't and I think it's only fair that people treat both sides of this issue with -respect-. Everyone is free to disagree with either side but one of the big issues this brings up is the total lack of respect for the missing women. It's an uphill struggle right now just to get people to see these women as more than "dead hookers" or to even give a damn that they're dead/missing.

And on the note of the poster vandalism - I'm not sure that it's fair to lump that into this issue with social sensitivities. It's Saskatoon, everything gets vandalized there.

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Sometimes censorship gets mixed up with real life horrific acts, and the two aren't supposed to meet. Sometimes a news story is just a news story. One thing is clear: the Roxy Theatre has sided with the local anonymous caller and the poster-pullers without even watching the film.

Is this truly censorship? A theatre decided not to run a film because perhaps it realized that it was quite possibly going to be seen as a bad taste move at a bad time? Maybe it was a business decision because they knew they knew they were going to get ripped a new one when more women and families affected by this would get upset? Nobody banned the film. They declined to show it at this point in time. Should people in Japan get up in arms because a movie about a tsunami just recently got pulled from their theatres out of respect for all the recent deaths?

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And most importantly, not playing Dead Hooker in a Trunk won't bring Tara-Lyn back.

Ok, that was crass again. I'm sorry. But I wonder what Tara-Lyn would say if she knew two young women directors were not allowed to screen their film in her town. Would Tara-Lyn want to see it, if she were still here? Would she be supportive of other young women with something to say going unheard?

Yes, that was crass, and incredibly insensitive to be honest having re-read it. Most of the women affected by this type of life and violence probably do not give a damn about the movie and it's unfair to say "Well if they were still here they might feel honoured/support it/etc." and that they would somehow feel affronted by the movie being pulled. They're not here to make that call and without ever having met these girl's it's impossible to speculate. Most likely from what I've seen in my research they would have other things to worry about - crushing poverty, abuse, violence, crime, drug and substance abuse. Not about a movie.

I'm actually pretty shocked that at this. I always thought we were a group of Pro-Fem writers here but this crass reaction to the issue of the movie really seems to undermine the fact that people weren't protesting the film because they wanted to squash something they felt threatened their sensitivities but because they're trying to make an effort at getting the real issue at hand to be taken seriously by the greater public. Do we only care about the situation of women when it affects a movie? The Soska sisters could have made an effort to promote the film in a more favourable light and even prepared the theatre accordingly to deal with this. I would have expected someone to have been aware of the impact it was going to have.

Now I'll agree things could have been dealt with better but at least try to give some respect to those trying to do all they can to get an uncaring public to see these women for something worth respect.

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Andre- You replied while I was typing my last comment! Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from. I think the Soska sisters are great, I understand that the film isn't as cut and paste as the title might suggest and I agree - fans are turning a blind eye. I could very well have been guilty of doing the same had I not been doing the work that I'm doing right now. I was once pretty ignorant of the issue myself but the problem is there. It's more than Vancover, it's more than the incidents Heidi listed. The truth is, there are MANY more women missing right now that don't get media coverage or any note. I don't want to quote stats right now because i don't have my notes with me and I don't want to get them wrong but what I've found recently is heartbreaking. It's especially extreme when you bring aborigional women into the stats. Don't quote me on this stat but I had read in some publications that while aborigional women only make up 3% of our countries population - they make up over 10% of violence related homicides. And that's just the one's that get recorded as such. Stats often remind me that they get their info based on police reports and such that report the women specifically as aborigional so it's likely that the 10% is higher than that.

Most of the time these cases don't make the news until a serial killer is found after years of doing what they've been doing. Many families will never see a conviction or even evidence that said killer was the one to abduct their loved ones because the investigation didn't even get started until years after their death and the courts will just try to prosecute what they can at the time. Those that do make the news usually don't get any respect. They're "sex trade workers" so it's usually their own fault for leading such a high risk lifestyle. They never cover the part where they were a single mom/someone's daughter/etc.

I know Canada is supposed to have this awesomly progressive and great attitude. But the truth is, this is an issue that society doesn't want to deal with right now. If the public and the media had it's way, they'd push all of these women back out of sight into the gutter.

Oh and one more thing to add since Heidi mentioned the movie apparently doesn't have any connection to missing aborigional women - Most of the missing aborigional women are assumed to be sex trade workers. Not all, but a large number of missing "women at risk" are aborigional so there's your connection.

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I guess I should say a few things:

1) No one who wrote about this issue anywhere else even mentioned the actual murders, or women, by name or date or number. Most articles about this so far are on blogs asking people to rally against the injustice of DHIAT not being screened.

2) I know that there were things I said that were crass - it was late, and I think I pointed out that they were crass. I can't take it back now, I can only say that I didn't mean any disrespect to the missing women. Really, I didn't. In fact, I was happy to point out that there actually was a real reason why people might be offended by the title DHIAT in a town where women have been murdered.

3) No press is bad press for a movie, especially when you can insinuate censorship. I don't think this is a real 'injustice' to the filmmakers; I think it gives them press.

4) Minerva, yours is the reaction I had hoped this article would spark. Yes, we are a pro-fem site and we do strive to care about things, as Thomwade points out, that affect human rights and equality. I apologize for some of the content of the article, but if the outcome is that we have a rational discussion about missing women and sensitivity, then I'll take that bullet.

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Superheidi wrote:

I guess I should say a few things:

1) No one who wrote about this issue anywhere else even mentioned the actual murders, or women, by name or date or number. Most articles about this so far are on blogs asking people to rally against the injustice of DHIAT not being screened.

2) I know that there were things I said that were crass - it was late, and I think I pointed out that they were crass. I can't take it back now, I can only say that I didn't mean any disrespect to the missing women. Really, I didn't. In fact, I was happy to point out that there actually was a real reason why people might be offended by the title DHIAT in a town where women have been murdered.

3) No press is bad press for a movie, especially when you can insinuate censorship. I don't think this is a real 'injustice' to the filmmakers; I think it gives them press.

4) Minerva, yours is the reaction I had hoped this article would spark. Yes, we are a pro-fem site and we do strive to care about things, as Thomwade points out, that affect human rights and equality. I apologize for some of the content of the article, but if the outcome is that we have a rational discussion about missing women and sensitivity, then I'll take that bullet.

I think I should say I have interviewed the Soskas a few times and have become somewhat familiar with them. I know they mean no harm or disrespect with this title, but I also know that part of the reason they chose this title is because it is sensational and it provokes. They courted controversy to some degree with its use, but I think they got a bit more than they expected. They are not cold people, nor are they uncaring. Just the opposite, actually. All should realize this is just a very unfortunate coincidence.

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Thank you Heidi, your response didn't disapoint me in the least. I guess when I reflected on the crass and careless reaction in my response it wasn't just pointed at your article, I should have made it more generalized because before I posted I did do a little snooping around about the pulling and you're right, all the other blogs and sites are just harping on about the movie and ignoring the issue of why it was a sensitive issue. Some of them have posted the phone number to the Roxy to encourage people to "fight for their rights" by calling and harrasing the theatre. Some are veiling it under "show your support" but most of the energy they're conjuring up is "Down with censorship!" and "That lady is a total bitch! How dare she!"

And Heidi, I just want to comment that you take a bullet a lot. I might, and have, disagreed with some of the ways things are portrayed here but in the end it's succesful in doing something about discussion. Even if I'm calling you out on something like this, surprise! People are getting educated. On other sites it's "Bitch, bitch, bitch and moan" right now, but yes, you addressed the missing women issue head on, in a way that made me a bit cranky last night but in hindsight, it's discussion. I guess sometimes we need something to spark passion in a subject before people will look at it.

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Megan - I appreciate where you're coming from on the note that they should have researched it first and I agree, but at the same time that only educates the one person. From the advertising I've seen locally and also what I've heard running through people's lips about it, it doesn't seem like people in general are doing the research into it. It's still going to be taken at face value by the community just like this woman did and that's the impact. Does that excuse everyone in this matter? No. And you're right, maybe getting the Soska's involved could have made a great impact and turned this into a good thing for everyone, but honestly we live in a day an age where many films and forms of media that come out trivialize and mock serious issues - they want to be sensationalist and offensive enough to make people come watch it because they know they're going to be controversial. So I can understand why some people wouldn't be able to take a film called "Dead Hooker in a Trunk" for anything else. Things could have been handled differently from all sides I think, but they weren't and I think it's only fair that people treat both sides of this issue with -respect-. Everyone is free to disagree with either side but one of the big issues this brings up is the total lack of respect for the missing women. It's an uphill struggle right now just to get people to see these women as more than "dead hookers" or to even give a damn that they're dead/missing.

And on the note of the poster vandalism - I'm not sure that it's fair to lump that into this issue with social sensitivities. It's Saskatoon, everything gets vandalized there.

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Sometimes censorship gets mixed up with real life horrific acts, and the two aren't supposed to meet. Sometimes a news story is just a news story. One thing is clear: the Roxy Theatre has sided with the local anonymous caller and the poster-pullers without even watching the film.

Is this truly censorship? A theatre decided not to run a film because perhaps it realized that it was quite possibly going to be seen as a bad taste move at a bad time? Maybe it was a business decision because they knew they knew they were going to get ripped a new one when more women and families affected by this would get upset? Nobody banned the film. They declined to show it at this point in time. Should people in Japan get up in arms because a movie about a tsunami just recently got pulled from their theatres out of respect for all the recent deaths?

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And most importantly, not playing Dead Hooker in a Trunk won't bring Tara-Lyn back.

Ok, that was crass again. I'm sorry. But I wonder what Tara-Lyn would say if she knew two young women directors were not allowed to screen their film in her town. Would Tara-Lyn want to see it, if she were still here? Would she be supportive of other young women with something to say going unheard?

Yes, that was crass, and incredibly insensitive to be honest having re-read it. Most of the women affected by this type of life and violence probably do not give a damn about the movie and it's unfair to say "Well if they were still here they might feel honoured/support it/etc." and that they would somehow feel affronted by the movie being pulled. They're not here to make that call and without ever having met these girl's it's impossible to speculate. Most likely from what I've seen in my research they would have other things to worry about - crushing poverty, abuse, violence, crime, drug and substance abuse. Not about a movie.

I'm actually pretty shocked that at this. I always thought we were a group of Pro-Fem writers here but this crass reaction to the issue of the movie really seems to undermine the fact that people weren't protesting the film because they wanted to squash something they felt threatened their sensitivities but because they're trying to make an effort at getting the real issue at hand to be taken seriously by the greater public. Do we only care about the situation of women when it affects a movie? The Soska sisters could have made an effort to promote the film in a more favourable light and even prepared the theatre accordingly to deal with this. I would have expected someone to have been aware of the impact it was going to have.

Now I'll agree things could have been dealt with better but at least try to give some respect to those trying to do all they can to get an uncaring public to see these women for something worth respect.

To tell you the truth, Minerva, when I posted my response I hadn't actually seen the poster before I posted my reply--then I looked up an image of the poster and frankly I didn't like it at all--and that's what makes this issue so tough.

The last movie I reviewed, The Book of Revelation, drew a similar controversy; it was about a man who was raped by three females and then mocked and ignored when he tries to come to terms with his tragedy. Men's rights groups accused director Ana Kokkinos of turning the issue of male rape into a female's erotic fantasy; if they had done just a little research, they would have discovered that Ana is a very thoughtful and edgy director by nature, also that she adapted her screenplay from a book written by a male.

As I noted in my review, I felt the film dealt very sensitively with the after-effects of rape, how it devastates the body as well as the soul. Even so, I can't completely discredit the critics when I look at this poster:

Also the film was billed as "an erotic mystery about power and sex." Now when you see the film, it does feature a lot of sex and sensual dance scenes apart from the rape sequence, and I think that's what they meant.

I think what we can all agree on is that we need to always do everything in our power to help young women stuck in these awful situations, and serious discussions such as the one we're having is a step in the right direction.

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Ok, talk about insensitivity and ignorance; this is what sometimes passes for humor online. I warn you, this is nasty:

This is a prime example of something that has no redeeming value; and if you'll notice, not a single negative comment has been posted in response. Effin' bastards.

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Megan Hussey wrote:

Ok, talk about insensitivity and ignorance; this is what sometimes passes for humor online. I warn you, this is nasty:

This is a prime example of something that has no redeeming value; and if you'll notice, not a single negative comment has been posted in response. Effin' bastards.

Wow. I think it's clear that instead of truly looking at how violence against sex workers is allowed to continue, it's easier to just pretend they aren't people.

So, why aren't people upset about that video?

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That's one of the big problems with this issue right now Heidi. "Hookers" aren't people in many minds today. They're caricatures. Once people hear that someone's a sex trade worker it's like something turns off and they automaticly become an almost imaginary figure to some. They're the stereotype we see on tv, but they don't really exist to most people beyond background noise in a bad neighbourhood. It's not on purpose I suppose, but getting people to actually see sex trade workers as something human is one of the most difficult parts of the problem. They're something people won't talk about, think about or care about because they don't show up on most middle to upper class radars.

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Superheidi wrote:
Megan Hussey wrote:

Ok, talk about insensitivity and ignorance; this is what sometimes passes for humor online. I warn you, this is nasty:

This is a prime example of something that has no redeeming value; and if you'll notice, not a single negative comment has been posted in response. Effin' bastards.

Wow. I think it's clear that instead of truly looking at how violence against sex workers is allowed to continue, it's easier to just pretend they aren't people.

So, why aren't people upset about that video?

What really gets me, Heidi, is that the brilliant art and fashion photographer Jenna Elizabeth made a beautiful short video, "Jacob and Kat: A Love Story" that showed her muse, the gorgeous model Jacob Dekat, and a female model frolicking in the streets and in bed; the vid showed maybe two flashes of mild nudity (maybe the top of his bum and the side of her breasts--gasp!) and was yanked from YouTube because it violated the site's 'sex and nudity' policy; yet the 'Dead Hooker Removal Service' has apparently been up for several years with no controversy. Unbelievable.

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REALL-y?

That's interesting. I wonder what else has been yanked and what else has been allowed to remain simply because of nudity, and zero because of actual message content.

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Thanks for understanding that I wasn't trying to attack, Heidi. I like this place a lot. And I think this Dead Hooker Removal Service speaks to part of the problem with dark themed humor. In some hands, it is pointed and challenging...in many hands, it is short sighted, thoughtless and mean. Okay...I've been sick for the last week and am going back to bed.

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Thomwade wrote:

Thanks for understanding that I wasn't trying to attack, Heidi. I like this place a lot. And I think this Dead Hooker Removal Service speaks to part of the problem with dark themed humor. In some hands, it is pointed and challenging...in many hands, it is short sighted, thoughtless and mean. Okay...I've been sick for the last week and am going back to bed.

Anyone remember the Jon Favreau flick Very Bad Things, directed by Peter Berg? No one objected to that gang of miscreants killing a hooker and burying her in the desert. That movie got flack for its dark ending, in which Favreau became quadriplegic...which is worse than murder, I guess.

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Anyone remember the Jon Favreau flick Very Bad Things, directed by Peter Berg? No one objected to that gang of miscreants killing a hooker and burying her in the desert. That movie got flack for its dark ending, in which Favreau became quadriplegic...which is worse than murder, I guess.

Yes, what a good point. The hooker was dead, and no one gave a shit except how to not get caught. But showing favreau as a handicapped man - that's offensive!

Double standards. We need to point them out more.

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Superheidi wrote:
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Anyone remember the Jon Favreau flick Very Bad Things, directed by Peter Berg? No one objected to that gang of miscreants killing a hooker and burying her in the desert. That movie got flack for its dark ending, in which Favreau became quadriplegic...which is worse than murder, I guess.

Yes, what a good point. The hooker was dead, and no one gave a shit except how to not get caught. But showing favreau as a handicapped man - that's offensive!

Double standards. We need to point them out more.

And let's not forget everyone's fave car theft video game, which makes killing prostitutes part of the fun gaming narrative!

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In dark comedy murder of anyone is a possible plot point-and usually not one to generate much outrage as a specific point (Very Bad Things was savages for a lot more than a dark ending-most negative reviews I can find have a host of crimes-and never mention the dark ending). I mean, John Waters movies are a celebration of all sorts of dark comedy underpinnings... I think the "dead hooker" part didn't register for a lot of people because that is kind of the point of dark comedies. Seriously, we don't blink over some of the horror stuff that we've seen that looks like "how many potentially offensive acts/ideas can I throw at the viewer"... so when does it cross the line?

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Thomwade wrote:

In dark comedy murder of anyone is a possible plot point-and usually not one to generate much outrage as a specific point (Very Bad Things was savages for a lot more than a dark ending-most negative reviews I can find have a host of crimes-and never mention the dark ending). I mean, John Waters movies are a celebration of all sorts of dark comedy underpinnings... I think the "dead hooker" part didn't register for a lot of people because that is kind of the point of dark comedies. Seriously, we don't blink over some of the horror stuff that we've seen that looks like "how many potentially offensive acts/ideas can I throw at the viewer"... so when does it cross the line?

Very true. No matter how offensive something might be, it has to be available to a creator to use. This ties back to an earlier forum conversation about use of the "N Word," btw.

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Superheidi wrote:

REALL-y?

That's interesting. I wonder what else has been yanked and what else has been allowed to remain simply because of nudity, and zero because of actual message content.

Interestingly enough, this morning I heard a YouTube feminist complain that her most recent clip (a response to a user who was apparently selling "Got Rape?" T-shirts) was 'false flagged' and pulled, also because of nudity and sex. I've written to her to ask for more details and also have contact info for fashion filmmaker Jenna Elizabeth--I think this might be worth a VERY special Other Chick Flicks article.

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