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Anderson Cooper owns Nir Rosen for his insensitive Tweets about Lara Logan

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Sun, 02/20/2011 - 20:26

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http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/02/17/anderson-cooper-nir-rosen/

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Mon, 02/21/2011 - 20:16

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Nir Rosen sounds like one of those illiterate fucks we were talking about on another thread with just a little more power than the neanderthal who comments on news articles with vulgar and offensive language towards a victim. That's just me.

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Mon, 02/21/2011 - 21:01

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Mon, 02/21/2011 - 21:59

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I don't know how to feel on this. On one hand I'm outraged, on another - if we take what he's saying about "hey, I fucked up, didn't know it was what is was" do we cut him any slack for making a really big fuck up? He's admitting that there is no excuse for the obvious fuck up, he knows there's no way to sugar coat it.

And he has a point about the fact that while terrible things are happening to a lot of women, this one case is getting much more light on it because she's famous. Where is all the outrage about the nameless numbers who are in these situations right now?

I'm questioning the intentions behind this "raking over the coals", Anderson looks like a tough guy and wins points and a ratings boost for fueling the fire against this guy and he seems to take it all personally. If she wasn't a celebrity and/or his name wasn't mentioned in the tweets would he give a fuck?

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Tue, 02/22/2011 - 04:51

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ellenXxXzena wrote:

I agree; it's so sad that, these days, some commentators replace articulate writing and thought-provoking speech with shock and insensitivity.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 05:32

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MinervaLi wrote:

In my opinion, and as Anderson pointed out, there's no earthly way that Rosen didn't know Logan was sexually assaulted; he really expects us to believe he didn't read the article he linked to, or that his "It would have been funny if it happened to Anderson--she had to one up Anderson" comments could have referred to anything but a sex assault.

I do agree that we need to give equal attention to all sexual attack cases, regardless of the race or social status of the victim; so many people are affected by the plague of sex assault on a daily basis, and they all deserve our empathy and outrage.

It's a double-edged sword, really--if a victim is poor or lives in a bad area, some people will shrug and overlook the situation, assuming that 'that's just the kind of thing that happens in that area'--that is just inacceptable. If she's older or not conventionally attractive, people shake their heads in disbelief or even laugh because 'someone like that' was raped--again, an outrageous response.

On the other hand....although I've never been physically attacked, I was stalked for a number of years by a guy who saw me at a p.r. appearance. He showed up at my apartment repeatedly, left gifts at my door; almost equally frightening, though, were some of the responses I got in wake of the situation. "Well, you are a pretty girl and things like this will happen. Why are you so shocked?", "That blonde hair of yours get too much attention; why don't you dye it?", "Did he know you are an erotica author or that you work in the adult industry?" (Actually no; the p.r. appearance was at a family video store and I was dressed in a polo shirt and khakis--doesn't exactly scream 'sex-ay.':), and "Why would someone as sweet as you get stalked?" Actually my chief ally in the situation was one of my cover models, a guy who had had problems of a similar nature--he, too, was expected to accept the behavior as 'part of the job.'

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 09:33

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Megan Hussey wrote:

ellenXxXzena wrote:

I agree; it's so sad that, these days, some commentators replace articulate writing and thought-provoking speech with shock and insensitivity.

So true. And for someone who is apparently a journallist, which means he's been to college, he doesn't seem to have common sense... or intelligence... does he? And the fact that he stood there and tried to lie his way out of it makes him all the more stupid.

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Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:25

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MinervaLi wrote:

I am calling bullshit. He would get called to the carpet for his comment no matter what. I didn't know who Lara Logan was until she was raped. And I know I am not alone in that. Everything I know about her is because her rape was made public.

Bit more than that? You know how you don't address the lack of attention to the rape of non-famous or minority women? By mocking a rape victim. What he said has no defense and he is attempt to defend it. There are plenty of ways to address these issues...and he chose to do the one thing every rape victim fears. Put her on trial...for things that were not relevant to her rape. He has a beef against Lara for differences in opinion about her Iraq war reporting (btw, being embedded with the military is not "promoting war").

If he really cared about all those "nameless numbers" he would actually have been doing something substantial to bring them attention and help. Instead he was a snarky asshole. All he really is doing is using those nameless numbers as cover-he's pissing on them as much as he is on Logan.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 21:32

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Thomwade, for the record, I'm not fucking defending him. So don't start calling "bullshit" on me like I am. I feel a little jumped upon by your comments. I'm not saying he was doing something where others were failing, he shouldn't have said what he said, there's no denying that. I'm simply questioning Anderson's and the media's role in all of this. I'm not saying people shouldn't be pissed off at this guy, I'm not saying that she shouldn't be getting coverage or sympathy or anything like that. I'm questioning why there isn't more being said about these issues before it's "one of their own" or someone with a name to bring up. And no, I'm not trivializing Logan's situation, but I refuse to trivialize anyone else's sexual assaults either. Everyone's praising Anderson for "raking this guy over the coals" like he should be praised for being outraged like everyone else. I'm not saying he shouldn't have done so, I'm questioning it. You know, to think deeper about issues rather than flying off the handle at the first emotional impulse that bleeds throught the television. I never said anything had to be one way or the other, I said "question" which is what people should do when faced with media of any kind. I question a lot of shit, it helps when forming an educated, less biased sort of opinion. It seems to be the less popular method of doing so, but sometimes dialouge is nessecary.

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Wed, 02/23/2011 - 02:52

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I apologize for the misunderstanding. I was calling Bullshit on Nir Rosen, not on yourself. He was trying to weasel out of looking like an asshole-but the "this would never be news if..." defense he offered is not useful and was not useful. He deserves to get raked over the coals. There are a million ways to bring up the topic thoughtfully...but he chooses he way that would cause women to not want to come forward and press charges. Good call on him. It's a weasel and bullshit act on his part.

There is a "time and place" for such discussions of media and rape. Heck, look at how often murders don't make the news until they are respectable people... prostitutes get murdered by a guy and little to no attention is paid...he kills a soccer mom? It's an outrage and how do we stop him? "Noone is safe!" But you know, Nir's apparent response would be to belittle the dead soccer mom. You know, to "defend the other dead women." It's not the right moment, especially when the victim is still in the hospital.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 05:58

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Thank you for the explanation Thomwade. Are you make excellent points. I just thought you were taking my words to mean I was defending him. I'm not. BUt this whole thing brings up many valid discussion points. Mind you, none of which should be "Is this reporter trying to out do me by getting herself raped?" You're totally correct about the comparison between killing a hooker and killing a soccer mom, one will make the news stations more money than the other because they know they can get a whole mass of people outraged over a few words that way. And that's why I always like to question media involvement like Anderson's. It might sound crude and horrible of me to say that, but how many times has the media jumped all over something controversal in the past with no real regard for the victims or the delicate state of the matter as long as they got a great sound piece to put on the air?

And yet, maybe he is -is- doing it to defend Logan, and maybe he is right to stick it to Nir Rosen. I can't take a side on that one yet because I haven't been exposed to either figure near enough to know what their real motivations are.

But again, my questioning is nothing to do with the assault itself, just with how the media is handling the whole circus they seem to be creating.

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Thu, 02/24/2011 - 15:08

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I do sense that Cooper was really into asking if Nir thought ANDERSON should have been raped, too.

I think maybe the focus was taken off of Logan for a minute there. But Anderson is directly involved - he can't be objective.

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